Star Wars, Highly Illiogical Captain

[Admiral X]

-How Starkiller Base works. Its supposed to be mobile, or so I've been told (thus explaining how it can fire more than once when it drains a star for fuel), but this isn't really explained in the film I don't think.

Wait, I thought it just caused the star to go dark for a few minutes. (it like, redirected all the energy of a star for a few minutes and thus the star seemed to go dark.)

If it actually DRAINED A STAR permanently...and frankly, I'm not even sure what that MEANS from a physics standpoint...well, we're looking at a massive case of SciFi Writers Have No Sense of Energy.

The sequence showing the destruction of those planets and the fact they were visible from the surface of another planet shows that they also have no sense of how big space is either. Of course we saw another example of that in the first Abrams Trek movie, too.

[GandALF]

-How Starkiller Base works. Its supposed to be mobile, or so I've been told (thus explaining how it can fire more than once when it drains a star for fuel), but this isn't really explained in the film I don't think.

Wait, I thought it just caused the star to go dark for a few minutes. (it like, redirected all the energy of a star for a few minutes and thus the star seemed to go dark.)

If it actually DRAINED A STAR permanently...and frankly, I'm not even sure what that MEANS from a physics standpoint...well, we're looking at a massive case of SciFi Writers Have No Sense of Energy.

The sequence showing the destruction of those planets and the fact they were visible from the surface of another planet shows that they also have no sense of how big space is either. Of course we saw another example of that in the first Abrams Trek movie, too.

That was hastily explained by a Lucasfilm guy on twitter as being viewed through a "hyperspace tear". Although I doubt Abrams came up with that. At least Lucas' explanation for the Kessel run had some real science in it.

[Dînadan]

Padme's death. "Lost the will to live"? Really? I think the physical strain caused by having to give birth on top of severe emotional trauma and being choked probably had something to do with it.

It was a Force choke. Probably didn't compute for the droid.

Surely it'd still show physical signs though? Sure the droid wouldn't be able to tell it was done with magic/psychic powers rather than by more conventional physical means, but it's still show up as her having been chocked. Unless you want to try and handwave force chokes as being an illusion and all in the choked person's mind...

[SlackerinDeNile]

-How Starkiller Base works. Its supposed to be mobile, or so I've been told (thus explaining how it can fire more than once when it drains a star for fuel), but this isn't really explained in the film I don't think.

Wait, I thought it just caused the star to go dark for a few minutes. (it like, redirected all the energy of a star for a few minutes and thus the star seemed to go dark.)

If it actually DRAINED A STAR permanently...and frankly, I'm not even sure what that MEANS from a physics standpoint...well, we're looking at a massive case of SciFi Writers Have No Sense of Energy.

Well, I could be mistaken. But I think it was supposed to drain the star. I could be wrong though.

What are you talking about? Yes the weapon was 'supposed' to drain the star from the writers point of view, but it's still quite silly.
Although the weapon is extremely powerful and capable of utterly devastating planets over extremely vast distances the fact that it literally 'kills' stars to power itself is pretty over the top. If we're talking from a more logical, hard-science perspective then it would have made more sense to make the weapon some sort of efficient Dyson sphere instead, they clearly had the resources to do so and it wouldn't require any other power source, at least not for a long time.

Unless they only had the resources to build another moon or planet sized structure instead of one around a sun or dwarf star.

[Riedquat]

The sequence showing the destruction of those planets and the fact they were visible from the surface of another planet shows that they also have no sense of how big space is either. Of course we saw another example of that in the first Abrams Trek movie, too.

It rather threw me because from that point on I was awaiting the last minute escape before the planet they were on was destroyed too, since it looked pretty obvious that they'd just shot another one in the same system. Turned out to be nothing of the sort.

[J!!]

i always just assumed that the destroyed planets were all in the same solar system

[MadAmosMalone]

-There was that old EU line about how the Executor nearly bankrupted the Empire. A galactic civilization that built multiple Death Stars.

As well as a fleet of several thousand mile-long star destroyers and all of the support vehicles and equipment that goes with them.

-How Starkiller Base works. Its supposed to be mobile, or so I've been told (thus explaining how it can fire more than once when it drains a star for fuel), but this isn't really explained in the film I don't think.

Personally I'd have preferred it if it were a stationary gun that draws in fuel via hyperspace just as it fires through hyperspace. Seems more consistent, more original, and less silly than a flying planet, at least to me.

A Nicoll-Dyson beam would have made more sense.

http://www.orionsarm.com/eg-article/48fe49fe47202

My question is related to these two items. Isn't the First Order just the remnants of the old Empire? How would they have access to the kinds of resources needed to build such a thing? How powerful are they?

[phantom000]

Am i the only one who likes the Gungans? Yes, Jarjar is stupid, stupid, annoying and useless. He was set up as comic relief in a movie that had too much comic relief. The original trilogy had a sense of humor, TPM is almost a comedy.

Still i really like the Gungans, i like the idea of an amphibious alien civilization that lives mostly underwater and uses organic technology. The big battle between the droids and the Gungans looks awesome! It just there is too little investment in it because both armies are played more for laughs.

Binks, i will not use Jarjar because it sounds like a demeaning childhood nick-name, should have been the prequel answer to Chewbacca, the alien muscle. But instead of a strongman like Chewie, he should have been more like a hunter, quick and stealthy. Rather then being rescued by the Jedi he rescues them, leaping out of the water and taking out a pair of destroyer droids before landing on the shore.

They should also have played up the rivalry between the Gungans and the human inhabitants. When Obi-Won and Qui-gon go to the Gungan leaders they treat the invasion as a blessing rather then a curse, some even openly suggest that they should side with the Federation against the Queen. It is only after the Federation destroys several Gungan settlements that they reconsider by only join the Queen after she promises to hand territories back to the Gungans. Still, they warn her that if she forgets her promise she and her people will have to fight a whole new war.

[SlackerinDeNile]

Am i the only one who likes the Gungans? Yes, Jarjar is stupid, stupid, annoying and useless. He was set up as comic relief in a movie that had too much comic relief. The original trilogy had a sense of humor, TPM is almost a comedy.

Yeah a bad comedy, one that was aimed at children and to some extent Michael Bay fans.

Still i really like the Gungans, i like the idea of an amphibious alien civilization that lives mostly underwater and uses organic technology. The big battle between the droids and the Gungans looks awesome! It just there is too little investment in it because both armies are played more for laughs.

Binks, i will not use Jarjar because it sounds like a demeaning childhood nick-name, should have been the prequel answer to Chewbacca, the alien muscle. But instead of a strongman like Chewie, he should have been more like a hunter, quick and stealthy. Rather then being rescued by the Jedi he rescues them, leaping out of the water and taking out a pair of destroyer droids before landing on the shore.

They should also have played up the rivalry between the Gungans and the human inhabitants. When Obi-Won and Qui-gon go to the Gungan leaders they treat the invasion as a blessing rather then a curse, some even openly suggest that they should side with the Federation against the Queen. It is only after the Federation destroys several Gungan settlements that they reconsider by only join the Queen after she promises to hand territories back to the Gungans. Still, they warn her that if she forgets her promise she and her people will have to fight a whole new war.

I agree, I like the design and concept of the Gungans, they could have been pretty interesting had the prequels taken a more similar direction to the original trilogy.

I always imagine the ideal Episode 1 being set almost entirely in the Naboo solar system, having Anakin be a young, talented, hot-shot pilot along the lines of Tom Paris, instead of some annoying 9 year old, and having the war and action scenes be more like Return of the Jedi but on a more epic scale.

I still think Episode 1 had some fantastic sabre battles though, episode 2 and 3 took it a bit too far and just made them look too clunky, crowded and messy. I'm sure most of you here have seen the part of the Plinkett reviews where he criticises George Lucas's decision to have tons and tons of Jedi doing tons and tons of fighting with tons and tons of light-sabres.

[ScreamingDoom]

Not illogical, exactly, but just sort of stupid: Having Annakin build C3PO. I mean, he's a friggin' slave. When did he find the time to build such a thing? Where did he get the parts? Did his owner just let him have all the parts necessary? Did he steal them? And why build a protocol droid of all things? Why not a dishwasher? That'd at least be useful to his mom.

This is all the more egregious because there is a perfect area to introduce C3PO: have him be the Protocol Droid to the Nabu contingent on Coruscant. He'd have about the same amount of screentime since he's barely in the first prequel anyway. And you'd still get the intro and interaction between him and R2D2. That'd even give him a great reason to be in the sequel! Even if Palpatine gets promoted, the droid belongs to the diplomatic mission, so he'd stay there to handle protocol for Almadala (and presumably go with her when she left the capital).