Trump's Great Betrayal

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Trump's Great Betrayal

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Yes, it's true. America's very own Hitler has crossed the aisle, joined the swamp, and made a deal with Democrats.
The House on Friday cleared a short-term measure to avoid a government shutdown and raise the debt limit through December, ratifying a deal President Trump struck with Democrats.

Lawmakers voted 316-90 for the package that includes more than $15 billion in disaster recovery aid for communities affected by Hurricane Harvey. The majority of House Republicans voted for the bill, something that had been uncertain, but more of the votes in favor came from Democrats.

All of the 90 votes in opposition were from Republicans.
Republicans are thrilled.
...Trump humiliated the Republican leaders by siding with their Democratic counterparts Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi. In a White House meeting, Trump blindsided his allies and endorsed the Democrats’ proposal for hurricane relief and raising the debt ceiling.

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Trump has tired of his former allies. He can sense what the world sees: Paul Ryan is a weak and craven man. The speaker supported the Dreamer program to protect immigrant youth. When Trump rescinded it, Ryan dutifully said he "did the right thing."

Trump no longer trusts McConnell, whose cynicism and guile have not delivered any victories that make the president look good. Their last conversation reportedly ended in an expletive-laden shouting match.

So for the first time in his flailing presidency, Trump reached out to Democrats and abandoned the hardcore conservatives who have supported him most loyally. Devoid of principles and political loyalties, Trump doesn’t care about coherence. His abrupt move, which left Schumer barely able to contain his glee, was a classic exercise in male dominance: humiliate to prevail.
Alas, poor Ryan and McConnell are discovering that the scorpion cannot, in the end, deny it's nature. I'd feel bad for them if they didn't so desperately deserve even sting they're currently receiving. Sow Fox News, reap Donald Trump.

As for Schumer and Pelosi, well, they're happy to use Trump where convenient, but their base isn't captured by his cult of personality so they have considerably more freedom around him than Republicans do. I do suspect, however, that his chances of impeachment will fall considerably if this sort of thing continues. Trump has already proven amazingly useful to the Democrats. He's a massive wedge driving straight down the Republican party, he's totally incompetent at actually moving an agenda, and the thought of him in the Oval Office appears to drive Democrats into a rage. If he can actually be manipulated into helping Democrats once in a while, the argument for replacing him with Pence gets even weaker than it already is.
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Pssst, it's betrayal.
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:shock:

:oops:

:evil:

:idea:

:D

Quiet you. I have no idea what you're talking about. :lol:
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Yah well, Republicans put him there in the first place. No refunds.
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Hitler & Stalin sign Molotov-Ribbentrop pact (1939)
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GandALF wrote:Hitler & Stalin sign Molotov-Ribbentrop pact (1939)
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Fake history! Stalin never met Hitler.
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Well, I'm glad there will be some short-term hurricane relief, but I honestly don't know whether I should think this is good or bad in the long run. x_x
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Unless you are
  1. very, VERY conservative and believe that Trump has betrayed the grand plan of reducing government spending.
  2. very, VERY partisan and believe that Republicans should always stick together no matter what.
  3. so committed to seeing Trump impeached that you believe that anything which makes that less likely is bad, no matter how good it is for the country.
Then it's hard to see this as anything but good. The debt limit HAD to go up, and making sure the Freedom Caucus doesn't have an opportunity to foul things up for everyone is a solid win for almost everyone.
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Okay. Good to hear. I just...I have trouble making sense of things a lot these days.
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Trump did the right thing here, but let's not pretend that Trump is turning over a new leaf. He isn't. He's being the same self-serving, contradictory charlatan he always has been. Its just that his interests happened to briefly align with the Democrats', sort of like the way that a broken clock is right twice a day, as the saying goes.

In a day or two, he'll go back to spouting Alt. Right bigotry and trying to punish and silence anyone who opposes him. Hell, part of this was probably him spiting the Congressional Republicans for not being servile enough.
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