Minneapolis Police Union forces MPD to rehire two cops fired for racism

[Antiboyscout]

First response, you know some people are, and some of them might be on this forum.

Item 1, why not? Camden did it.

Camden didn't

they implemented union reform (mostly by getting rid of it) and using the money they saved, Expanded the police force significantly. Same organizational structure, many of the same employees, just a lot more of them. Camden didn't hire a bunch of therapists and tell people if they're getting robbed, just roll over and take it.

If Camden is your example, it's a harsh repudiation of whattever BS BLM and the left wing crazies that support them have been asking for.

[GreyICE]

Camden completely dissolved it's police department (and the police union) without the city sliding in to anarchy. Did they rehire some police? Yes. They retrained those rehired police as well. I believe there's an 84 page thread or so where literally everyone there has said the problem isn't that every individual officer is a white supremacist, authoritarian asshole who wants to abuse their power. It's that the structure of the police is flawed.

No one has a problem with them rehiring some officers. No one has a problem with spending more money, overall. Hell, a lot of the problems are caused by the Reagan-era "fight against big government" and the horrible mess it left us with when they cut essential services. What we have a problem with is trying to further reform an institution that has no wish or desire to reform.

When a private company manifestly fails to deliver what they promise their customers, mistreats their customers, abuses their customers, and then demands more money to do their job, and keeps this up for decades, they go bankrupt. They fail. They go poof. And what happens when they do? Does an abusive store closing make stores go away?

Police departments can fail the same way. It's time to make quite a few of them go poof. We can replace them with a new structure, one that actually works.

[Antiboyscout]

Camden completely dissolved it's police department (and the police union) without the city sliding in to anarchy. Did they rehire some police? Yes. They retrained those rehired police as well. I believe there's an 84 page thread or so where literally everyone there has said the problem isn't that every individual officer is a white supremacist, authoritarian asshole who wants to abuse their power. It's that the structure of the police is flawed.

No one has a problem with them rehiring some officers. No one has a problem with spending more money, overall. Hell, a lot of the problems are caused by the Reagan-era "fight against big government" and the horrible mess it left us with when they cut essential services. What we have a problem with is trying to further reform an institution that has no wish or desire to reform.

When a private company manifestly fails to deliver what they promise their customers, mistreats their customers, abuses their customers, and then demands more money to do their job, and keeps this up for decades, they go bankrupt. They fail. They go poof. And what happens when they do? Does an abusive store closing make stores go away?

Police departments can fail the same way. It's time to make quite a few of them go poof. We can replace them with a new structure, one that actually works.

"rehiring some" ? They have more officers now than they did before they "dissolved" the police department

[ProfessorDetective]

Camden completely dissolved it's police department (and the police union) without the city sliding in to anarchy. Did they rehire some police? Yes. They retrained those rehired police as well. I believe there's an 84 page thread or so where literally everyone there has said the problem isn't that every individual officer is a white supremacist, authoritarian asshole who wants to abuse their power. It's that the structure of the police is flawed.

No one has a problem with them rehiring some officers. No one has a problem with spending more money, overall. Hell, a lot of the problems are caused by the Reagan-era "fight against big government" and the horrible mess it left us with when they cut essential services. What we have a problem with is trying to further reform an institution that has no wish or desire to reform.

When a private company manifestly fails to deliver what they promise their customers, mistreats their customers, abuses their customers, and then demands more money to do their job, and keeps this up for decades, they go bankrupt. They fail. They go poof. And what happens when they do? Does an abusive store closing make stores go away?

Police departments can fail the same way. It's time to make quite a few of them go poof. We can replace them with a new structure, one that actually works.

HEAR FEAKING HEAR!!!

[GreyICE]

"rehiring some" ? They have more officers now than they did before they "dissolved" the police department

Yes, they rehired some. Specifically, Camden allowed a cop to reapply to the new force unless they had a history of complaints and disciplinary actions. So most specifically, they allowed some the opportunity to return.

So as you kindly noted, the things Camden did was dissolve the entrenched police guild, remove all problem officers without giving them an opportunity to return, reshuffle the organization and structure of the department, and bring in new hand-picked officers from outside to train their new force. Those were indeed the only things Camden did.

And guess what? It wasn't free from issues, but it's a huge success story!

Step 1 is dissolving the police, and forming a new organization without the problem officers - those with disciplinary issues, those with a history of complaints, the "bad cops". Clear out the culture, clear out the "bad apples" and all of a sudden it turns out that a few bad apples do spoil the bunch!

So with the two of us agreeing on step 1, lets implement that first. I'm happy to discuss further steps, but since the first step is something easy to agree on, we can implement that one.

[Darth Wedgius]

When it's as easy to get rid of racist teachers who preach about white privilege, get back to me on this one.

"Uh oh, someone is once again pointing out the actions of police departments are indefensible. What can we do to distract, since we have a strict policy of never defending? Uh... teachers something something white privilege! Yeah!"

Sad.

Sad? Sure, sure. Expecting honestly, sanity, or fairness from the authoritarian left probably is.