Greenland's Ice Sheet Has Melted Past 'The Point of No Return' Due to Climate Change, Study Says

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

And amid this the Democratic party silently dropped "end fossil fuel subsidies" from their platform. *sigh*

Get ready for the second wave of climate refugees.

2020's nightmare disaster bullshit is just the beginning.

Or, as somebody more eloquent than me put it:
http://manicpixienightmaregirls.com/march-31st-2019/

[McAvoy]

I think we also have to start talking about sensible relocation plans. Miami, large parts of Florida, Jersey City, etc. We might be able to save Manhattan, but I'm not sure throwing the resources into Brooklyn and Queens is a good ROI, and Staten Island certainly isn't.

Over the next few decades, we have to phase those places out of being human occupied in a methodical and minimally disruptive manner. We have to salvage them for the maximum amount we can to avoid it becoming ocean pollutants, and we need to abandon them. A controlled evacuation is the only way to deal with this, because rising sea level isn't going to be steady, it's going to show up as a storm that destroys everything and doesn't leave. And if that happens to a whole huge area all at once, it's way too big of a catastrophe.

We're into the part where we figure out how to survive this as a civilization, not how to survive this without disrupting our way of life. I'm not even joking. The next few Presidents have to start talking about relocating most of Florida. Possibly make a law that property can't be sold or transferred, and that on death the government will pay you a sum for it. That might be a reasonable method.

NYC can definitely be protected or saved. Walls with ramps and effective drains might work. I am willing to bet it will take a devastating storm to get the city to commit to this. Nevermind rising water table levels.

Problem is the beach areas. They really have no protection without spending so much money it would be more economical to move more inland. Not to mention towns or cities like New Orleans which are already at high risk now.

I stayed in Virginia Beach for ten years. I can tell you that whole area would be destroyed. It's already below sea level and the land used to be swamp before it got built on. It floods badly in any half way decent storm.

[GreyICE]

I think we also have to start talking about sensible relocation plans. Miami, large parts of Florida, Jersey City, etc. We might be able to save Manhattan, but I'm not sure throwing the resources into Brooklyn and Queens is a good ROI, and Staten Island certainly isn't.

Over the next few decades, we have to phase those places out of being human occupied in a methodical and minimally disruptive manner. We have to salvage them for the maximum amount we can to avoid it becoming ocean pollutants, and we need to abandon them. A controlled evacuation is the only way to deal with this, because rising sea level isn't going to be steady, it's going to show up as a storm that destroys everything and doesn't leave. And if that happens to a whole huge area all at once, it's way too big of a catastrophe.

We're into the part where we figure out how to survive this as a civilization, not how to survive this without disrupting our way of life. I'm not even joking. The next few Presidents have to start talking about relocating most of Florida. Possibly make a law that property can't be sold or transferred, and that on death the government will pay you a sum for it. That might be a reasonable method.

NYC can definitely be protected or saved. Walls with ramps and effective drains might work. I am willing to bet it will take a devastating storm to get the city to commit to this. Nevermind rising water table levels.

Problem is the beach areas. They really have no protection without spending so much money it would be more economical to move more inland. Not to mention towns or cities like New Orleans which are already at high risk now.

I stayed in Virginia Beach for ten years. I can tell you that whole area would be destroyed. It's already below sea level and the land used to be swamp before it got built on. It floods badly in any half way decent storm.

You have to remember the true horror of a rising water table isn't that the water comes in from the outside. That's a hurricane. The true horror of rising water is that the water comes from outside, then drains through the soil. But when the entire sea level rises, the water comes from below. You can't just armor around - you have to armor down. You have to replace the easily eroded soil with something that doesn't erode, or encase it so completely the water can never, ever, ever get through (and then find out how to drain it, because water falls from the sky in these parts). It's above, below, and in every direction.

And to fortify Brooklyn and Queens, you have to fortify the entire island they're on. That's Long Island. Can't be done, the island is a loss. It's always been a rather long sandbar, formed by the Hudson River dumping soil out to sea and the gulf stream carrying that soil right back up the coast. There's not really anything there to build on, not really. At six feet, some of the island would remain, a tiny little portion. At 20 feet? Oh come on now.

So Manhattan and the Bronx maybe, but definitely not Brooklyn or Queens. Or any of Long Island. Shut down the LIRR, there's no more Island to railroad to.

Virginia Beach, yeah, gonner. But the thing is beaches are above sea level, water just tends to erode things. Now that water moves 20 feet worth of rise inland, and that new area gets hurricanes and gets to be eroded.

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

On the plus side, I expect some very good atmospheric indy movies to be filmed amidsts the empire state building's neighboring canals.

[GreyICE]

And amid this the Democratic party silently dropped "end fossil fuel subsidies" from their platform. *sigh*

Get ready for the second wave of climate refugees.

2020's nightmare disaster bullshit is just the beginning.

Or, as somebody more eloquent than me put it:
http://manicpixienightmaregirls.com/march-31st-2019/

By the way, I hate Joe Biden so much.

I wonder if the combined force of my hatred can cause him to just keel over dead 30 seconds after he wins the election.

I don't know, but here's to fucking hoping. I'm still torn over logging a protest vote for Vermin Supreme since America isn't a Democracy so my vote doesn't count.

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

I know dude. Believe me, I know.

Given how much Gerrymandering, Russian meddling, and voter suppression the Republicans are bringing to bare this time, I'd advise against protest votes.

[GreyICE]

I know dude. Believe me, I know.

Given how much Gerrymandering, Russian meddling, and voter suppression the Republicans are bringing to bare this time, I'd advise against protest votes.

Yeah, but I'm in Washington State. My vote for president literally counts for nothing. Zero. I can vote for literally whoever I want, and it has no outcome on the presidential election, because fuck Democracy that's what.

Our system is fundamentally broken and anti-democratic. And there's a very vocal interest in keeping it that way.

[Draco Dracul]

And amid this the Democratic party silently dropped "end fossil fuel subsidies" from their platform. *sigh*

Get ready for the second wave of climate refugees.

2020's nightmare disaster bullshit is just the beginning.

Or, as somebody more eloquent than me put it:
http://manicpixienightmaregirls.com/march-31st-2019/

By the way, I hate Joe Biden so much.

I wonder if the combined force of my hatred can cause him to just keel over dead 30 seconds after he wins the election.

I don't know, but here's to fucking hoping. I'm still torn over logging a protest vote for Vermin Supreme since America isn't a Democracy so my vote doesn't count.

If you're thinking of protest voting, just save yourself the time and don't vote. It's the exact same thing, but easier.

I know dude. Believe me, I know.

Given how much Gerrymandering, Russian meddling, and voter suppression the Republicans are bringing to bare this time, I'd advise against protest votes.

I'd advise against protest voting at all times because in a FPTP system it is at best the same as not voting and at worse actually pushes the parties away from you issues by painting you as unreachable.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raising_of_Chicago

[clearspira]

The problem as I see it is that in order to reduce pollution levels to a point that actually matters we would have to extend the Covid-19 lockdown... forever.

No planes living the ground, no cars allowed on long journeys, nothing.

And once we've marvelled at the world we've saved, we can also marvel at the queues for the homeless shelters as millions of jobless seek their soup. TL;DR, it really is not as simple as ''pollute less''. We are WAY beyond that point now.