Greenland's Ice Sheet Has Melted Past 'The Point of No Return' Due to Climate Change, Study Says

[GreyICE]

The problem as I see it is that in order to reduce pollution levels to a point that actually matters we would have to extend the Covid-19 lockdown... forever.

No planes living the ground, no cars allowed on long journeys, nothing.

And once we've marvelled at the world we've saved, we can also marvel at the queues for the homeless shelters as millions of jobless seek their soup. TL;DR, it really is not as simple as ''pollute less''. We are WAY beyond that point now.

If we're past the tipping point on Greenland it doesn't much matter. We could actually do all that, and Greenland's ice sheet would still be gone. Therefore it's become an inevitability. We will lose Miami. We will lose New York City. We will lose Miami. Houston is on the bubble. New Orleans. Charleston. They are gone. If there's anything you want to visit in Florida, well, plan a trip. Take your kids. Your grandkids will never get to see it. Like Australia's Great Barrier Reef, Florida will mostly pass into the past.

Millions homeless and jobless is also inevitable. Those cities will go, the homes in and near them will go, and that's that. We could try to limit further damage before we discover brand new ways to fuck ourselves, but understand this - millions of Americans on the streets, and Americans becoming refugees within our own nation is something we're locked in for now. We have to prepare for a refugee crisis of our own citizens.

That's the reality of Global Warming.

It'd be nice if we didn't get a food crisis, because millions of homeless starving people, well, get ready to see some real riots.

[huskofvoid]

it will be worse than a mere food crisis, lots of governments are going to flat out buckle, prognosis bad relly bad.

[clearspira]

The problem as I see it is that in order to reduce pollution levels to a point that actually matters we would have to extend the Covid-19 lockdown... forever.

No planes living the ground, no cars allowed on long journeys, nothing.

And once we've marvelled at the world we've saved, we can also marvel at the queues for the homeless shelters as millions of jobless seek their soup. TL;DR, it really is not as simple as ''pollute less''. We are WAY beyond that point now.

If we're past the tipping point on Greenland it doesn't much matter. We could actually do all that, and Greenland's ice sheet would still be gone. Therefore it's become an inevitability. We will lose Miami. We will lose New York City. We will lose Miami. Houston is on the bubble. New Orleans. Charleston. They are gone. If there's anything you want to visit in Florida, well, plan a trip. Take your kids. Your grandkids will never get to see it. Like Australia's Great Barrier Reef, Florida will mostly pass into the past.

Millions homeless and jobless is also inevitable. Those cities will go, the homes in and near them will go, and that's that. We could try to limit further damage before we discover brand new ways to fuck ourselves, but understand this - millions of Americans on the streets, and Americans becoming refugees within our own nation is something we're locked in for now. We have to prepare for a refugee crisis of our own citizens.

That's the reality of Global Warming.

It'd be nice if we didn't get a food crisis, because millions of homeless starving people, well, get ready to see some real riots.

I think what we are seeing today was inevitable tbh. Human beings have come too far, too fast. The start of the industrial revolution was 260 years ago - which is about four lifetimes.

Four lifetimes is all that it has taken for humans to break the Earth. Ain't we special?

[McAvoy]

I think we also have to start talking about sensible relocation plans. Miami, large parts of Florida, Jersey City, etc. We might be able to save Manhattan, but I'm not sure throwing the resources into Brooklyn and Queens is a good ROI, and Staten Island certainly isn't.

Over the next few decades, we have to phase those places out of being human occupied in a methodical and minimally disruptive manner. We have to salvage them for the maximum amount we can to avoid it becoming ocean pollutants, and we need to abandon them. A controlled evacuation is the only way to deal with this, because rising sea level isn't going to be steady, it's going to show up as a storm that destroys everything and doesn't leave. And if that happens to a whole huge area all at once, it's way too big of a catastrophe.

We're into the part where we figure out how to survive this as a civilization, not how to survive this without disrupting our way of life. I'm not even joking. The next few Presidents have to start talking about relocating most of Florida. Possibly make a law that property can't be sold or transferred, and that on death the government will pay you a sum for it. That might be a reasonable method.

NYC can definitely be protected or saved. Walls with ramps and effective drains might work. I am willing to bet it will take a devastating storm to get the city to commit to this. Nevermind rising water table levels.

Problem is the beach areas. They really have no protection without spending so much money it would be more economical to move more inland. Not to mention towns or cities like New Orleans which are already at high risk now.

I stayed in Virginia Beach for ten years. I can tell you that whole area would be destroyed. It's already below sea level and the land used to be swamp before it got built on. It floods badly in any half way decent storm.

That I understand. Water table rises with the rise of water. Pretty simple.

VA Beach is different. Beaches are above sea level but the rest is not. Again it was built on swamp land. The whole area gets flooded very easily during normal storms. Lots of inlets too.

I had a place on one of those inlets and one hurricane in 2011 hit VA Beach directly. Forgot to move my car and then remembered. I saw waves hitting my car in the parking lot. Oddly enough I was able to move the car and the car never suffered any problems outside my horn being temporarily disabled.

Rise of sea water will destroy that and any local beaches.

NJ beaches are gone.

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

The problem as I see it is that in order to reduce pollution levels to a point that actually matters we would have to extend the Covid-19 lockdown... forever.

No planes living the ground, no cars allowed on long journeys, nothing.

And once we've marvelled at the world we've saved, we can also marvel at the queues for the homeless shelters as millions of jobless seek their soup. TL;DR, it really is not as simple as ''pollute less''. We are WAY beyond that point now.

If we're past the tipping point on Greenland it doesn't much matter. We could actually do all that, and Greenland's ice sheet would still be gone. Therefore it's become an inevitability. We will lose Miami. We will lose New York City. We will lose Miami. Houston is on the bubble. New Orleans. Charleston. They are gone. If there's anything you want to visit in Florida, well, plan a trip. Take your kids. Your grandkids will never get to see it. Like Australia's Great Barrier Reef, Florida will mostly pass into the past.

Millions homeless and jobless is also inevitable. Those cities will go, the homes in and near them will go, and that's that. We could try to limit further damage before we discover brand new ways to fuck ourselves, but understand this - millions of Americans on the streets, and Americans becoming refugees within our own nation is something we're locked in for now. We have to prepare for a refugee crisis of our own citizens.

That's the reality of Global Warming.

It'd be nice if we didn't get a food crisis, because millions of homeless starving people, well, get ready to see some real riots.

I think what we are seeing today was inevitable tbh. Human beings have come too far, too fast. The start of the industrial revolution was 260 years ago - which is about four lifetimes.

Four lifetimes is all that it has taken for humans to break the Earth. Ain't we special?

It's not inevitable. It's just that the tiny handful of people with the power to do anything about it care about short-term profit more than long-term habitability or human lives.

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

[GreyICE]

You can eat the rich!

[McAvoy]

The problem as I see it is that in order to reduce pollution levels to a point that actually matters we would have to extend the Covid-19 lockdown... forever.

No planes living the ground, no cars allowed on long journeys, nothing.

And once we've marvelled at the world we've saved, we can also marvel at the queues for the homeless shelters as millions of jobless seek their soup. TL;DR, it really is not as simple as ''pollute less''. We are WAY beyond that point now.

If we're past the tipping point on Greenland it doesn't much matter. We could actually do all that, and Greenland's ice sheet would still be gone. Therefore it's become an inevitability. We will lose Miami. We will lose New York City. We will lose Miami. Houston is on the bubble. New Orleans. Charleston. They are gone. If there's anything you want to visit in Florida, well, plan a trip. Take your kids. Your grandkids will never get to see it. Like Australia's Great Barrier Reef, Florida will mostly pass into the past.

Millions homeless and jobless is also inevitable. Those cities will go, the homes in and near them will go, and that's that. We could try to limit further damage before we discover brand new ways to fuck ourselves, but understand this - millions of Americans on the streets, and Americans becoming refugees within our own nation is something we're locked in for now. We have to prepare for a refugee crisis of our own citizens.

That's the reality of Global Warming.

It'd be nice if we didn't get a food crisis, because millions of homeless starving people, well, get ready to see some real riots.

I think what we are seeing today was inevitable tbh. Human beings have come too far, too fast. The start of the industrial revolution was 260 years ago - which is about four lifetimes.

Four lifetimes is all that it has taken for humans to break the Earth. Ain't we special?

It's not inevitable. It's just that the tiny handful of people with the power to do anything about it care about short-term profit more than long-term habitability or human lives.

Humans haven't broken the Earth. What they have done is broken the current level of comfort for the future. Earth will always be here and short of a massive nuke war, life will be here. Humans may even survive too.

The point of Save the Earth is not just protect the wild life, but our current level of living.

[Darth Wedgius]

How about each state require their public utilities to offer customers renewable energy plans if thse customers foot the difference in the bill?

Or nuclear. I know a lot of people hate nuclear, and there are reasons not to like nuclear. But I think nuclear waste is a less dangerous pollutant than CO2 right now.

[GreyICE]

Sure, just as long as the "difference in cost" includes the true cost of fossil fuels. Because after all it's entirely unfair to make pollution and expect others to pay to clean it up. A carbon tax is the obvious solution.

Once we implement one, I think it's a great idea to let consumers choose between the true cost of renewables and the true cost of fossil fuels.