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tyrteg wrote: Fri Sep 25, 2020 11:29 pm Anyone telling me how Discovery is making loads of cash want to explain why people don't want to watch it even for free?
Because all the Trek fans already bought subscriptions to watch the show two years ago. I'm one of Discovery's biggest defenders and I'm not going to watch it on TV when I already have streaming.
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CharlesPhipps wrote: Fri Sep 25, 2020 11:58 pm
tyrteg wrote: Fri Sep 25, 2020 11:29 pm Anyone telling me how Discovery is making loads of cash want to explain why people don't want to watch it even for free?
Because all the Trek fans already bought subscriptions to watch the show two years ago. I'm one of Discovery's biggest defenders and I'm not going to watch it on TV when I already have streaming.
I bought the Blu rays - so I'm very patiently waiting for the Blu Ray to come out. ^^
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CharlesPhipps wrote: Fri Sep 25, 2020 11:58 pm
tyrteg wrote: Fri Sep 25, 2020 11:29 pm Anyone telling me how Discovery is making loads of cash want to explain why people don't want to watch it even for free?
Because all the Trek fans already bought subscriptions to watch the show two years ago. I'm one of Discovery's biggest defenders and I'm not going to watch it on TV when I already have streaming.
Fair argument.
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CharlesPhipps wrote: Fri Sep 25, 2020 9:53 pm Hell, even if you are anti-wokeness and somehow still a Star Trek fan, then you should acknowledge it's grandfathered into the premise.
No it's not. The equality of colorlessness and racelessness is the Classic Star Trek way, up through Enterprise. In the Trek Universe all people, human and alien, are the same.

It's nothing like the Woke modern idea.
tyrteg wrote: Fri Sep 25, 2020 11:29 pm Anyone telling me how Discovery is making loads of cash want to explain why people don't want to watch it even for free?
Some of the Trekers paided to see it, most watched it other ways. Plus seasons 1 and 2 are out to buy.

And the typical Discovery fan is of the "hip and cool" type: they always have to be watching that "new" show....like the rest of their social group. They don't want to be the sad one that has NOT seen "new show X", even more so if that show is So Woke.

So all that is left to watch it on CBS is the random old Channel Surfers, who might flip it on by mistake and be like "wow plum dinger a new star trekey show, shut the front door!".....and then they go an watch Press Your Luck (No Wammies!")
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CharlesPhipps wrote: Fri Sep 25, 2020 11:58 pm
tyrteg wrote: Fri Sep 25, 2020 11:29 pm Anyone telling me how Discovery is making loads of cash want to explain why people don't want to watch it even for free?
Because all the Trek fans already bought subscriptions to watch the show two years ago. I'm one of Discovery's biggest defenders and I'm not going to watch it on TV when I already have streaming.
So you're telling me there are basically no poor fans of Trek, no old fans of Trek who don't use Netflix, no young kids who love Star Trek but can't afford a subscription and won't/can't pirate it?
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tyrteg wrote: Sat Sep 26, 2020 12:24 am
CharlesPhipps wrote: Fri Sep 25, 2020 11:58 pm
tyrteg wrote: Fri Sep 25, 2020 11:29 pm Anyone telling me how Discovery is making loads of cash want to explain why people don't want to watch it even for free?
Because all the Trek fans already bought subscriptions to watch the show two years ago. I'm one of Discovery's biggest defenders and I'm not going to watch it on TV when I already have streaming.
So you're telling me there are basically no poor fans of Trek, no old fans of Trek who don't use Netflix, no young kids who love Star Trek but can't afford a subscription and won't/can't pirate it?
You could also read it as:
Because all the Trek fans already bought subscriptions
Oh wait, that's already it. Those who haven't bought subscriptions already, are not Trek fans. I mean, that's probably not what Phipps wanted to say, but there it is...
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tyrteg wrote: Sat Sep 26, 2020 12:24 am So you're telling me there are basically no poor fans of Trek, no old fans of Trek who don't use Netflix, no young kids who love Star Trek but can't afford a subscription and won't/can't pirate it?
Um...it's 2020, Star Trek Discovery has been out for Years. Nearly anyone who wanted to see it, has. Even the old, poor and young kids(not that many kids what Trek as it's not as super cool like Star Wars).

And again, in 2020, you don't need to be a Pirate of the Dark Web to find stuff online....
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tyrteg wrote: Sat Sep 26, 2020 12:24 amSo you're telling me there are basically no poor fans of Trek, no old fans of Trek who don't use Netflix, no young kids who love Star Trek but can't afford a subscription and won't/can't pirate it?
You can buy a month of All-Access for 6 dollars and watch the entire series in three or four days.

I think the Star Trek fans who won't fork over the price of a McDonalds happy meal for 20 hours of entertainment and 2 seasons have bigger problems than their TV show costs.
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Madner Kami wrote: Sat Sep 26, 2020 12:37 am
Oh wait, that's already it. Those who haven't bought subscriptions already, are not Trek fans. I mean, that's probably not what Phipps wanted to say, but there it is...
You literally mention it's not what I meant and know that so you're just trolling. My argument is people who want to watch Discovery would have paid for the subscription and have in 2 years.

You clearly don't agree so how are these Discovery fans watching it? You have stated all Star Trek fans will watch Discovery but they don't necessarily have a subscription. That's the only way your statement works. So tell me how they did it.
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CharlesPhipps wrote: Sat Sep 26, 2020 1:32 am
Madner Kami wrote: Sat Sep 26, 2020 12:37 am
Oh wait, that's already it. Those who haven't bought subscriptions already, are not Trek fans. I mean, that's probably not what Phipps wanted to say, but there it is...
You literally mention it's not what I meant and know that so you're just trolling.
You've said it though. You've made an exclusive statement, that all Star Trek fans have bought into CBS All Access or watched Discovery. Well, here I am. I am a Star Trek fan, but I neither paid for CBS All Access nor watched Discovery otherwise and I am fairly certain that many others have neither. So either your statement is flat out false or I am not a Star Trek fan.

And the "It's just $6"-reasoning is none. I do have disposable income, but I still have to watch out what I actually put my money into and if I do not expect to get any sort of fun out of something, I won't even invest 1 cent. I just do not have enough money to literally throw it away. Do you? Do you buy stuff that you don't expect to bring you joy? No? Well, why don't you? It's just $x after all.

You know how silly those statements are, so why do you say them? And I am not trolling. I am pointing out, that you made an offensive statement about the fandom of the Star Trek franchise and this annoys me to the max, as I do consider Star Trek to be a central part of my formative years regarding world view and philosophy and you just discard this, which devalues my experiences for no good reason, whether you intended to do that or not.
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