Star Trek changing direction

[Thebestoftherest]

It's like a euphemism treadmill. Anti-progressives called progressives SJWs, then progressives started calling themselves SJWs. Progressives used woke positively, then the anti-progressives started throwing it in their face. This will continue until one side wins.

At this point the only winning move really is not to play.

Testify.

[Zargon]

Really, any Star Trek or even Sci fi fan that wanted to watch Star Trek Discovery has done so. Plenty paid money sure......but again in the 21st century it's not so hard to find stuff on line (really, my grandma does it daily).

Link you have no friends or social group in real life? Well at least you go us.

Well, that Rodenberry quote is exactly opposed to the modern Woke movement that is all about hate, anti white and getting revenge on whites for everything....and doing petty things like ruining popular white TV shows.

[CharlesPhipps]

Well, that Rodenberry quote is exactly opposed to the modern Woke movement that is all about hate, anti white and getting revenge on whites for everything....and doing petty things like ruining popular white TV shows.

If you believe that, I really worry about you man.

[CaptainCalvinCat]

Well, that Rodenberry quote is exactly opposed to the modern Woke movement that is all about hate, anti white and getting revenge on whites for everything....and doing petty things like ruining popular white TV shows.

If you believe that, I really worry about you man.

Plus, he still hasn't said, what "woke" means to him - how he defines it. So I'mma say, he means "shit, I can't do politically incorrect stuff anymore and therefore I'm crying, how bad that would be".

[Zargon]

Is not "the modern Woke movement that is all about hate, anti white and getting revenge on whites for everything....and doing petty things like ruining popular white TV shows. " enough for you?

Woke is about petty revenge for sad people. A mix of non white males, and those wimpy white males that feel "bad" about their gender/race. They "see" a mythical "wrong", like there are "no" actors that are not white or there are "not enough" non white actors or whatever gets them off and triggered.

So now these sad people are in entertainment production of movies or TV. And now, now they can have their revenge. They target anything white males like, and do their best to ruin and destroy it. So they make thier hate filled revenge shows and then dance around all happy that they "did something".

[CaptainCalvinCat]

Is not "the modern Woke movement that is all about hate, anti white and getting revenge on whites for everything....and doing petty things like ruining popular white TV shows. " enough for you?

Woke is about petty revenge for sad people. A mix of non white males, and those wimpy white males that feel "bad" about their gender/race. They "see" a mythical "wrong", like there are "no" actors that are not white or there are "not enough" non white actors or whatever gets them off and triggered.

So now these sad people are in entertainment production of movies or TV. And now, now they can have their revenge. They target anything white males like, and do their best to ruin and destroy it. So they make thier hate filled revenge shows and then dance around all happy that they "did something".

So, basically: you cannot deal with the fact, that we're leaving the "white-cis-men are the hub of the world, everything else either doesn't exist or will be transformed into a way, that the white-cis-men can undersand".
Got it, it really boils down to: "shit, I can't do politically incorrect stuff anymore and therefore I'm crying, how bad that would be".

[CharlesPhipps]

Is not "the modern Woke movement that is all about hate, anti white and getting revenge on whites for everything....and doing petty things like ruining popular white TV shows. " enough for you?

Woke is about petty revenge for sad people. A mix of non white males, and those wimpy white males that feel "bad" about their gender/race. They "see" a mythical "wrong", like there are "no" actors that are not white or there are "not enough" non white actors or whatever gets them off and triggered.

So now these sad people are in entertainment production of movies or TV. And now, now they can have their revenge. They target anything white males like, and do their best to ruin and destroy it. So they make thier hate filled revenge shows and then dance around all happy that they "did something".

Yeah, no. Dude, wokeness is about being aware the world is a shitty place for minorities and they get treated as criminals or denied basic rights from people who think that they're inferior or carrying some sort of grudge against the white race.

Basically, racists think that if the roles were reversed, blacks/immigrants/sexual minorities would shove everyone into slavery or abuse them.

Because they think everyone is an asshole like them.

In reality, most people just wanted to be treated good.

[Thebestoftherest]

Is not "the modern Woke movement that is all about hate, anti white and getting revenge on whites for everything....and doing petty things like ruining popular white TV shows. " enough for you?

Woke is about petty revenge for sad people. A mix of non white males, and those wimpy white males that feel "bad" about their gender/race. They "see" a mythical "wrong", like there are "no" actors that are not white or there are "not enough" non white actors or whatever gets them off and triggered.

So now these sad people are in entertainment production of movies or TV. And now, now they can have their revenge. They target anything white males like, and do their best to ruin and destroy it. So they make thier hate filled revenge shows and then dance around all happy that they "did something".

Yeah, no. Dude, wokeness is about being aware the world is a shitty place for minorities and they get treated as criminals or denied basic rights from people who think that they're inferior or carrying some sort of grudge against the white race.

Basically, racists think that if the roles were reversed, blacks/immigrants/sexual minorities would shove everyone into slavery or abuse them.

Because they think everyone is an asshole like them.

In reality, most people just wanted to be treated good.

Testify.

[Captain Crimson]

Know what would be interesting? Shift less from the all too easy, and dare I say, lazy dystopian trends that we've been going through lately. I feel we're stuck in a rut, and the mass-market nostalgia craze and perfect archiving now ensures, IMO at least, we have no cultural identity of our own. We are too ingrained into the past, and too many marks to hit that keep us from striving to new heights that stay in the realm of pop culture whispers for decades if not longer. Modern business practices are just the easy tools that keeps new art from flourishing and enduring past the release date.

What would be interesting is shift less from the... grim hole the future has become, and try and shift to something more positive in the classic ST ideal. We've seen some of the fallout from the Dominion war, the explosion of Romulus's sun (and STP even improved on the plot hole there, so thanks, STP!), and TBH, I can buy after one of the bloodiest wars in galactic history, how there's deep social unrest. I do get it! (I think the execution is poor, but the potential is real.) Now what's needed, if the brand is to have any hope at a successful revival akin to the old, is to show the better angels of human nature shining through, pulling together, resisting the darkness. And I want more timeless political messages, not those rooted in the problems of the present. While those can be done, I think they need subtlety that frankly, I don't trust modern corporate makers to be able to replicate. Focus on more general human themes that will let both sides of the aisle approach it on their terms.

It would be fascinating to see where the UFP could end up in this dark period, and I personally think what is the best idea is threats of secession, member worlds wanting to break away, kinda like Tasha Yar's home planet, or what we saw on Mars, even plans they had for DS9, and this means going around giving Picard Speeches to planets, why unity is so important, and while there could be conflicts here, it'd also give a chance to break the mold and show instances where a larger-scale problem is avoided, and always with the meta-story being the prevention of civil war, that almost was in DS9. It'd be too easy to actually show the civil war, which is where I think they are headed, sadly. And, hey! If STD is going into the future then maybe show the results there. How it reshaped the UFP into something nobler than it was.

Now, what is needed from STP is this. From a management standpoint, limit Sir Patrick Stewart's creative role on the show. He can get into the nuts and bolts of what makes Picard tick, but he also has severe drawbacks that I think get in the way of what fans loved about the series. In-verse, they need to bring back the TNG crew. Those that survived, anyway. Show where they are now. It's so silly that they didn't do that in STP. "We need to put a together crew to face this situation together!" Oh, so, you never thought to ask the others? Bring them back, and use them. Rewatch the show. Get into their psyche. An STD/STP crossover can be great, especially if like on B5, they mapped the story out beforehand. But that's beyond the current crop of writers, I think. Okay. At least use the time travel wisely. And heresy it might be, connect to ENT. Bring back Daniels... is the actor dead? If he is, then this might not be possible... and connect that to the Relativity. You could do so much here, and maybe even give more depth to the failed temporal cold war. This would be how I'd do it.

And... TBH, I don't think they will? But this would be interesting nevertheless. Oh well.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

The Pike show I think is supposed to be like TOS.