None of the police who murdered a girl in her sleep will be charged with a crime

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Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: Fri Oct 02, 2020 1:37 am And the long term results are that MLK was shot and, while he lived, he was the most hated man in America. Now that he's dead, he's every political pundit and pompous windbag's imaginary black friend, and most of his more radical teachings are safely whitewashed or ignored.

You're right that most of these protestors don't want Biden, because they aren't protesting about the presidency. They are protesting about police who are allowed to murder with impunity.

You talk about how people aren't perfect and it's not a perfect world, but then demand that ordinary citizens be perfect, taking punch after punch without hitting back, while the police are allowed to go around shooting and killing like video game protagonists.

You like MLK so much? Read Letters from Birmingham Jail. You're exactly the sort of whinging moderate he saw was an even bigger stumbling block to civil rights than the KKK.
The result is the DNC has slowly been abandoning a color-blind meritocracy since and focusing on grievance politics. The values of and the dream of equality requires that you ignore such minutiae. Somebody's a jerk, I don't care if they're black, white, gay, whatever. I want to let them know. Don't spin this into how it's all relative. You guys are the ones going around blasting thousands of police and treating them as somehow complicit in these crimes. Sure, you can blame the department heads, but with thousands of employees, it has become collective group shaming. You belong to Tribe A, you are satan to us from Tribe B. The language you guys use seem to take out a perverse satisfaction from the idea of "taking the battle to them," in theory. How is that any different from those passive, pro-white militias stocked up on guns? Of which there are those you could name. Getting too ingrained into your viewpoints and never considering the other side. You don't think charged passion like that can lead to riots, even if they start out peaceful?

The flip side would be Mr. 45 using intimidation tactics, but how many of these alleged "poll watchers" will actually do something untoward? Those going about strutting with guns or haranguing people qualify. Yet even at my polling place, I dunno, they had a guard to make sure weapons weren't allowed in. How about those just striding about, feeling self-important, while being mostly harmless? I'd peg them as misguided, not actively contributing to a crime, or anything bad. Misguided as it may be.

They don't want Mr. Biden because he's too centrist, he's part of the same failed system, as they say it, and that's all because the internet will not let you forget. You could use almost anything to justify your viewpoint in the world of digital data. How we fall into our echo chambers. Because he has many stuff you could point to and back up a confirmation bias. On and on it goes. If Mr. Biden is marginally better than Mr. 45, then maybe we should take a hit in order to help out the campaign? Police reform so monsters like this face some proper punishment. The news wants you to think it's all violence at all times, yet we ARE better than that. Or maybe I'm just jaded. It is a rather sobering prospect, because I vividly remember getting so angry after hearing about the Newtown shooting, I couldn't calm down, I had to rip up the book I was reading and gained 20 pounds.

We need a bit of calm in the darkness, or our animal passions will overwhelm us. Sorry if I seemed insensitive to this girl. And yet, when we have 20 dead children as blood on our hands, in our history, and the monster sadistically took his own life to deny us justice on him, how else can I react? It's why I don't want to take part in problems of the present, since I feel they will inevitably work themselves out. Look at religious sacrifice. That's at an all-time low, historically, except to some fringe cults and nutcases, like drug cartels. When's the last time you heard about widespread cannibalism, relative to population numbers? We are slowly improving, but we need to stay the course and look to the future. Or else the issues of the present day will suffocate us such, we won't reach that future. Find healthy coping mechanisms. Not self-destructive ones, as seem the norm today.

I don't expect perfection. I just want people to have a little perspective. You guys are fed up, you want justice, or some resolution. You have every right to want to. So does their side. These are the crises of our time, and always have been. But how can we ever reach it when... I wanna be honest here. I think the liberals of our generation are far inferior to those of the past. Wading through the hoses, the attack dogs, beatings, attacks on your family, the kidnapping of your children, the raping of your wife, burnings and car bombings... we haven't reached that level, yet. But with the slippery slope we're on, we could, couldn't we? Sometimes it helps to turn the cheek if it means a greater good. Even Christ saw that thousands of years ago, and they murdered him for it.

It is very hard to think we could get justice after 20 beautiful babies are dead, and their killer got no resolution, no justice, and both sides are locked down into talking points so that nothing gets done on it. You guys want regulations on guns, fair. Their side gets scared of the craziness, they want them to feel safe. Fair. Where does it end? Where is the middle? On and on it goes. This is the path to madness before one's time and it's why I refuse to walk it.
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Meet me in the middle, says the dishonest man.
I take one step forward, he takes one step back.
Meet me in the middle, says the dishonest man.
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Re: White Privilege

How I explain it.

You are Tonya Harding.

Yes, the skater.

You are entering the Olympics to compete against other people.

Then someone breaks someone else's leg on your behalf.

Maybe that person has a right to be pissed.

The system is rigged and not just against black people, Latinos, gays, or more. The system is rigged against most white people too.

Also, "meritocratic" is not the best way forward. Jesus man, watch A BEAUTIFUL MIND. Game theory was created by a genius and came to the NOT INCREDIBLY DUMB conclusion that maybe we should all work together to help everyone rather than "winner takes all" because that way we don't get 5 guys with blue balls and one guy getting laid.
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Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: Fri Oct 02, 2020 1:37 am And the long term results are that MLK was shot and, while he lived, he was the most hated man in America. Now that he's dead, he's every political pundit and pompous windbag's imaginary black friend, and most of his more radical teachings are safely whitewashed or ignored.

You're right that most of these protestors don't want Biden, because they aren't protesting about the presidency. They are protesting about police who are allowed to murder with impunity.

You talk about how people aren't perfect and it's not a perfect world, but then demand that ordinary citizens be perfect, taking punch after punch without hitting back, while the police are allowed to go around shooting and killing like video game protagonists.

You like MLK so much? Read Letters from Birmingham Jail. You're exactly the sort of whinging moderate he saw was an even bigger stumbling block to civil rights than the KKK.
when did he say he wants the police to be able to get away with murder?

and if MLK and his followers never fought back under any circumstances and that worked perfectly, why can't the protestors today?
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Because it did NOT work perfectly, as I just spelled out.
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Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: Sun Oct 04, 2020 2:52 am Because it did NOT work perfectly, as I just spelled out.
Civil Rights were past, so, it clearly worked well enough.
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Dragon Ball Fan wrote: Sun Oct 04, 2020 3:00 am
Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: Sun Oct 04, 2020 2:52 am Because it did NOT work perfectly, as I just spelled out.
Civil Rights were past, so, it clearly worked well enough.
The irony being now a lot of moderate right-wingers and centrists advocate for a color-blind world while the DNC seems to be the one advocating grievance politics.

Granted, for many of them, you could speculate that's merely an excuse as cover for further racial and gendered crimes, which I don't dispute could be happening. I mean more so among class peers than the elected officials. Which these protesters are, make no mistake.
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Dragon Ball Fan wrote: Sun Oct 04, 2020 2:50 am
Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: Fri Oct 02, 2020 1:37 am And the long term results are that MLK was shot and, while he lived, he was the most hated man in America. Now that he's dead, he's every political pundit and pompous windbag's imaginary black friend, and most of his more radical teachings are safely whitewashed or ignored.

You're right that most of these protestors don't want Biden, because they aren't protesting about the presidency. They are protesting about police who are allowed to murder with impunity.

You talk about how people aren't perfect and it's not a perfect world, but then demand that ordinary citizens be perfect, taking punch after punch without hitting back, while the police are allowed to go around shooting and killing like video game protagonists.

You like MLK so much? Read Letters from Birmingham Jail. You're exactly the sort of whinging moderate he saw was an even bigger stumbling block to civil rights than the KKK.
when did he say he wants the police to be able to get away with murder?

and if MLK and his followers never fought back under any circumstances and that worked perfectly, why can't the protestors today?
That's not a very sufficient detailing of the role MLKjr's passivism played in the black civil rights movement.
..What mirror universe?
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BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: Sun Oct 04, 2020 4:14 am
Dragon Ball Fan wrote: Sun Oct 04, 2020 2:50 am
Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: Fri Oct 02, 2020 1:37 am And the long term results are that MLK was shot and, while he lived, he was the most hated man in America. Now that he's dead, he's every political pundit and pompous windbag's imaginary black friend, and most of his more radical teachings are safely whitewashed or ignored.

You're right that most of these protestors don't want Biden, because they aren't protesting about the presidency. They are protesting about police who are allowed to murder with impunity.

You talk about how people aren't perfect and it's not a perfect world, but then demand that ordinary citizens be perfect, taking punch after punch without hitting back, while the police are allowed to go around shooting and killing like video game protagonists.

You like MLK so much? Read Letters from Birmingham Jail. You're exactly the sort of whinging moderate he saw was an even bigger stumbling block to civil rights than the KKK.
when did he say he wants the police to be able to get away with murder?

and if MLK and his followers never fought back under any circumstances and that worked perfectly, why can't the protestors today?
That's not a very sufficient detailing of the role MLKjr's passivism played in the black civil rights movement.
really? others have replied to me as if it was.
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