So Trump has Covid-19

[CharlesPhipps]

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/10/trumpworld-suddenly-cares-about-civility-when-the-president-gets-sick

A good argument about civility in the age of Drumph.

[Makeshift Python]

Mary Trump tweeted that she reserves her “sympathy, empathy, and despair for those who are sick and for those who have died because they were misled, lied to, or ignored.”

Gee, I guess by Dragon Ball Fan's standards she's heartless and going down the path to becoming a serial killer because she doesn't feel bad for her uncle.

[CharlesPhipps]

Mary Trump tweeted that she reserves her “sympathy, empathy, and despair for those who are sick and for those who have died because they were misled, lied to, or ignored.”

Gee, I guess by Dragon Ball Fan's standards she's heartless and going down the path to becoming a serial killer because she doesn't feel bad for her uncle.

I remember HITMAN had a target that robbed his daughter of her entire inheritance (from her mother) to cover his debts. His daughter was out protesting the crowd that was demanding he be extradited and sentenced to life in prison. I thought that was harsh. Then I found out Mary Trump had been cheated of 200 million dollars by her uncle.

"Yeah, I'd protest there too."

[Dragon Ball Fan]

You paid your taxes. That automatically makes you the better man. So honestly, keep laughing at him, because that piece of shit deserves all the derision.

I will never stop thinking this kind of mindset is heartless.

Since when did laughing at a horrible evil man's misfortunes make me heartless or put me on the path to becoming a serial killer?

You need to find a better role model than Goku.

okay this was a knee jerk reaction on my part, except that wishing he dies is still going to far, I get feeling cathartic if he does die but wishing for it is not cool. even the YouTubers I've watched who think lots of individuals on the right are scum, don't wish death to them and realize that wishing them any harm is still a dick move, if only a little.

but I wonder, if it's a okay to wish Trump dead, why did I get called out on the nature of evil thread for having a Punisher-like mentality for historical monsters like Hitler?

and why do I need a new role model again? plus, my other two fictional childhood role models were the Unicron Trilogy version of Optimus Prime and Guardian Bob from ReBoot.

[Dragon Ball Fan]

"Not being hated and despised" isn't a human right.

okay, fine but I care about someone holding hate in their heart because that can lead to materiel evil with materiel consequences. again, did you cheer when that cop got a brick thrown at him, would you cheer if a vigilante murdered Trump in his sleep?

I didn't even see footage of a cop getting hit with a brick. I'm following different news sources than you, remember?

Sleep murder nothing, I'll laugh my ass off if somebody rips 45's head off and spit down his neck. I'll drink champagne if I learn that he choked to death on his own lung fluids. And you know why?

Because I'm saving my empathy, compassion, and kindness for the reporters and staff he willfully exposed by ripping off his mask when he walked into the white house, and the secret service agents he infected because he wanted to make the stock market go up by driving around, and everyone he has condemned to a slow, horrible death because even when it infects him, personally, he does more for corona virus than he does for his constituents.

Don't ask me to have sympathy for the devil's incompetent nephew.

again, this whole thing was a knee jerk reaction from me and this is generally fine even if I don't agree with it but I would still like to remind you that hoping someone murders Trump or that he dies of the virus makes you kind of a hypocrite when you protest police brutality, I'm sure George Floyd's murders and those who defend them thought Floyd deserved it for being a criminal.

[CharlesPhipps]

In any case, I do believe hate is a terrible reaction to anything.

I prefer pity.

However, never pity them more than their victims.

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

For me, it's not that blurry. Unless they did something to oppose his rule, in some small way, I hate them too.

We have a word for people who supported Hitler, not because they hated the Jews, but because of economic anxiety, or because they thought it would bring jobs, or they wanted Germany to be powerful again, or they didn't want to rock the boat, or they thought they could personally benefit from it.

They're called Nazis. Nobody cares about their motives anymore.


But hey, I don't have to hate his supporters, because they will likely die horribly with or without my hatred, because he spews virus all over his inner circle, his Rose Garden gathering, his supporter rallies, his fundraising events, etc. Because that is exactly the type of person he is. And his followers are the type of people who will ignore medical science and refuse to social distance or wear masks.

Then I'm sorry, but you ARE a political extremist, no ifs, ands, or buts about it, and people abhor political extremism. You're literally shaming people who have zero influence and clout to shape events across an international scale with the state government warping information in order to suit their own agenda.

I'm not saying they had to die in a blaze of glory shooting Nazis, to clarify. There are lots of ways you can fight back. You can mislabel official documents. You can lie about your Romani neighbor being at home. You can share leaflets. You can give a little money to help your Jewish friend get a ticket to Switzerland.

If there's a Fascist regime ruling your country, and you do NOTHING to oppose it? Then you are complicit in its evil.

[Captain Crimson]

For me, it's not that blurry. Unless they did something to oppose his rule, in some small way, I hate them too.

We have a word for people who supported Hitler, not because they hated the Jews, but because of economic anxiety, or because they thought it would bring jobs, or they wanted Germany to be powerful again, or they didn't want to rock the boat, or they thought they could personally benefit from it.

They're called Nazis. Nobody cares about their motives anymore.


But hey, I don't have to hate his supporters, because they will likely die horribly with or without my hatred, because he spews virus all over his inner circle, his Rose Garden gathering, his supporter rallies, his fundraising events, etc. Because that is exactly the type of person he is. And his followers are the type of people who will ignore medical science and refuse to social distance or wear masks.

Then I'm sorry, but you ARE a political extremist, no ifs, ands, or buts about it, and people abhor political extremism. You're literally shaming people who have zero influence and clout to shape events across an international scale with the state government warping information in order to suit their own agenda.

I'm not saying they had to die in a blaze of glory shooting Nazis, to clarify. There are lots of ways you can fight back. You can mislabel official documents. You can lie about your Romani neighbor being at home. You can share leaflets. You can give a little money to help your Jewish friend get a ticket to Switzerland.

If there's a Fascist regime ruling your country, and you do NOTHING to oppose it? Then you are complicit in its evil.

I am really hesitant to reply, since as I'd posted prior, I kinda feel this conversation is going nowhere, but I'll give it another try.

I'm NOT speaking of authority figures or establishment leaders, those with the greater access to the means and the ability to effect change on a large scale, but the average blue-collar worker to any decade, century. The lower classes.

Being gullible enough to fall for a con is human nature. The irony here being I do agree with you on the innate morality you're appealing to here, though as with all human things, many outside elements and overload of numerous factors weigh down our choices, so that we are hardly as free as we'd like to claim. Plus opening all this up to public perception complicates matters, since that generally tends to be rather cynical, rather sneering, rather judgmental and rather nasty-spirited.

That's where pure, quantitative, objective truth gets lost and drowned to the chorus of the masses.

[Captain Crimson]

You don't have to go all Rambo on the evil ruling your country. If you help out in small ways, at the local community level, that can make all the difference sometimes, in ways you might never imagine. Surely you could agree? You guys hope enough protests will affect huge change against police violence, when to me, it just seems like a strengthening of hyperpartisanship along party lines, and thus will hardly say anyone outside your political alignment to the cause, but it is the same mindset executing the same actions, I'd wager.

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

but I wonder, if it's a okay to wish Trump dead, why did I get called out on the nature of evil thread for having a Punisher-like mentality for historical monsters like Hitler?

Because different people have different viewpoints. I'm the one who wishes horrible death on 45. I'm not the one who called out on you for hating Hitler. You can't expect every poster other than you to be a philosophical monolith.