Clinton emails to be released before election

[Captain Crimson]

If it helps, I don't think most, direct face-to-face women saying this are lying. On social media, however, you need more skepticism.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

That seems like a disproportionate response to my post.

I like to be articulate as I can be.

Alright, but I'm really asking this stuff in good faith and I'm not finding a cohesive shot through this kind of thing where you almost vaguely start to resemble a response but then just go on to like 5-7 different tangents from there.

There is not a comparable basis for Al Franken and Biden.

[Captain Crimson]

That seems like a disproportionate response to my post.

I like to be articulate as I can be.

Alright, but I'm really asking this stuff in good faith and I'm not finding a cohesive shot through this kind of thing where you almost vaguely start to resemble a response but then just go on to like 5-7 different tangents from there.

There is not a comparable basis for Al Franken and Biden.

Forgive me if I ramble, but as I've said before, I am no higher-educated type Ivy League grad or prestige level scholar. I'm just a working man.

What I see is there really is no fundamental difference. My takeaway is that party politics takes priority over their message, as well as advancing a gain they had been building up to for three years, and nothing will get in the way of that goal. In that sense, MeToo, as I have said before, feels like political fodder in their war on Mr. 45. All layer, no substance.

Come on, do you believe for a second if Mr. Biden wasn't running as the literal only alternative to Mr. 45, there wouldn't be massive calls for him to be exiled ala Mr. Al Franken was? Maybe it shows the DNC caves in when they should hold their ground.

[unknownsample]

I'm not clear on how the DNC is particularly at odds with MeToo or how there is some friction impeding either's development.

They have been some of the biggest MeToo bandwagon jumpers. I mean, look at how they kicked out Mr. Al Franken, and yet, Mr. Biden gets a pass? Why? You have to conclude there is literally no other factor at play than it is a critical election year, and they've become just as hyperpolarized as the rest of us. A lot of MeToo feminists in Hollywood also leapt to Mr. Biden's defense, and so... what you got is a big, bright red signal hitting the same marks as the classic GOP dismissal of these allegations, and for almost the same reasons, which has a danger in sending victims back into silence, which hey, this was supposed to be meant to challenge, right? Since the DNC who were insisting "you have to believe women!" are now the ones backtracking it in their political discourse. How can anyone continue using MeToo as a hashtag in the future when the DNC heard what they said, and so clearly ignored it? How can they even pretend to proceed with what they've done? All they do is come off as GOP Lite, which, hey, they are.

Al Franken and Joe Biden are two different situations. Al Franken had photographic evidence of his doings. Biden's is an allegation.

Believing Woman isn't supposed to be directed at official proceedings or anything, it's aimed mainly at the public who tend to automatically dismiss a woman's credibility. That doesn't mean every accusation is taken as literal fact.

Not to mention that Tara Reade is a dubious witness at best and has a troubled relationship with the truth.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

I'm not clear on how the DNC is particularly at odds with MeToo or how there is some friction impeding either's development.

They have been some of the biggest MeToo bandwagon jumpers. I mean, look at how they kicked out Mr. Al Franken, and yet, Mr. Biden gets a pass? Why? You have to conclude there is literally no other factor at play than it is a critical election year, and they've become just as hyperpolarized as the rest of us. A lot of MeToo feminists in Hollywood also leapt to Mr. Biden's defense, and so... what you got is a big, bright red signal hitting the same marks as the classic GOP dismissal of these allegations, and for almost the same reasons, which has a danger in sending victims back into silence, which hey, this was supposed to be meant to challenge, right? Since the DNC who were insisting "you have to believe women!" are now the ones backtracking it in their political discourse. How can anyone continue using MeToo as a hashtag in the future when the DNC heard what they said, and so clearly ignored it? How can they even pretend to proceed with what they've done? All they do is come off as GOP Lite, which, hey, they are.

Al Franken and Joe Biden are two different situations. Al Franken had photographic evidence of his doings. Biden's is an allegation.

Believing Woman isn't supposed to be directed at official proceedings or anything, it's aimed mainly at the public who tend to automatically dismiss a woman's credibility. That doesn't mean every accusation is taken as literal fact.

Not to mention that Tara Reade is a dubious witness at best and has a troubled relationship with the truth.

Yes, not to mention, and for understandable reasons.

I could be wrong, but I feel like "believe women" is most squarely aimed at flooded comments discounting the allegation with obviously no evidence but their own experiences with people. There is probably institutional implications, but that has more to do with the particular men in power than the toxic underlying social system.

[Captain Crimson]

As I had said, this is why I was initially skeptical of MeToo all back when, and just why I felt it had the potential to be abused, especially as a social hashtag, where online opportunists could hijack it to their own ends, and what sort of enlightened, intelligent, and well thought out criticisms did I receive? I was called a sexist.

This is where you get PC culture that's gone out of control, and why you get inaccurate polling and whole voting blocs remaining silent. It just hasn't been an issue till the systematic breakdown affected the DNC against all conventional wisdom. I will never defend Mr. 45, but perhaps this was a good slap in the face needed to try to get the DNC to change their game. One can hope, yet I see little evident that suggests they have this year, since if they do win, it will be by pure chance, nothing beyond it.

Whether or not Mr. Biden or Mr. 45 wins, it sure will be an interesting next four years.

[Makeshift Python]

Trump genuinely wishes this was 2016 because that was when he could use angles like him being an outsider fighting corruption. But now he's been president for four years, has become part of the corruption, and is up against a candidate is way more popular than Hillary Clinton ever was.

He's fucked.

[Captain Crimson]

I dunno. I kinda suspect he's using the whole emails angle to rally the base, not the swing voters. And if you think of the GOP as all women-hating strawmans, very possibly this will be effective.

And yet people could still close the difference in the states that matter because of the EC and of course the DNC's abandonment of Old Economy workers to languish. That's why they don't talk, they aren't loud and outspoken, but they were people who voted for Mr. Obama, and are likely to vote for Mr. 45 yet again. Or just not vote at all.

Next month will tell. The real tragedy in all this is the holier-than-thou elitism the DNC has towards states that don't net them prestige or the electoral edge. No different than the GOP.

[Rocketboy1313]

There is not an arm long enough in the universe for the jerk off motion in my heart.

[clearspira]

Trump genuinely wishes this was 2016 because that was when he could use angles like him being an outsider fighting corruption. But now he's been president for four years, has become part of the corruption, and is up against a candidate is way more popular than Hillary Clinton ever was.

He's fucked.

I smell wishful thinking more than anything else. He isn't low enough in the polls to be fucked. See, I think the troubling point for you, and it goes back to what I have been saying about symptoms, is that if he loses but loses well i.e. there is only a few million in it, then that becomes a pyrrhic win for you because in four years time we may be right back to where we are now.

Shall I tell you what I think? I think that the 2024 Republican candidate is going to be Trump's son. I'm predicting it now. I have seen him on Twitter, the man gets almost as many likes as his dad.