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J!! wrote: ↑Sat Feb 01, 2020 10:25 pm
The way i see it is this: there are currently 4 great powers on the Earth. The United States of America, the Russian Federation, the People's Republic of China, and the European Union. Any country not alligned with one of those four is politically irrelevant.
The United Kingdom has chosen to seperate from the EU on the assumption that they can get a better deal by aligning with the US. However, being unalligned now puts them in an extremely weak bargaining position, so whatever deal they end up with is going to reflect that.
TBH i think you're giving India short shrift.
As for this situation, I never expect great things from a man named Boris.
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J!! wrote: ↑Sat Feb 01, 2020 10:25 pm
The way i see it is this: there are currently 4 great powers on the Earth. The United States of America, the Russian Federation, the People's Republic of China, and the European Union. Any country not alligned with one of those four is politically irrelevant.
The United Kingdom has chosen to seperate from the EU on the assumption that they can get a better deal by aligning with the US. However, being unalligned now puts them in an extremely weak bargaining position, so whatever deal they end up with is going to reflect that.
TBH i think you're giving India short shrift.
As for this situation, I never expect great things from a man named Boris.
So much had changed since I first made this thread - Covid, US elections - but i thought i would dust this old bastard off to say that Brexit is still with us and will be here properly on Jan 1st.
And Boris has just announced that he will No Deal if the EU does not change their stance on trying to take our fishing waters and so-called fair play rules.
Shit is getting real, yo. Personally I think that Brexit should have been postponed because of Covid but hey. I voted for it and voted for Boris so guess I cannot complain without seeming a hypocrite.
clearspira wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 2:58 pm
So much had changed since I first made this thread - Covid, US elections - but i thought i would dust this old bastard off to say that Brexit is still with us and will be here properly on Jan 1st.
And Boris has just announced that he will No Deal if the EU does not change their stance on trying to take our fishing waters and so-called fair play rules.
Shit is getting real, yo. Personally I think that Brexit should have been postponed because of Covid but hey. I voted for it and voted for Boris so guess I cannot complain without seeming a hypocrite.
Eh, changing circumstance changing opinion doesn't mean you're a hypocrite.
Guess I will have to start stocking up on tinned goods again, this has all the makings of another Suez. A complete and total disaster that will damage our economy and international prestige.
The UK should have left literally years ago. They've lost a lot of leverage postponing it for so long.
Don't worry, the brits will have the last laugh as the EU collapses under its own weight in less than a decade.
You willing to put your money where your mouth is?
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Antiboyscout wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 6:24 pmThe UK should have left literally years ago. They've lost a lot of leverage postponing it for so long.
Don't worry, the brits will have the last laugh as the EU collapses under its own weight in less than a decade.
The problem was Parliament. It hated Brexit and it hated those who voted for it which is why (Leave) Boris got such an overwhelming mandate over (Remain) Corbyn. In my personal opinion, the problem was that Parliament is in London - which is the most Remain part of the UK besides Scotland. By being surrounded by nothing but Remainers, they convinced themselves that Leavers were ''The Outlying Other'' beyond their borders as opposed to actual people who had different thoughts and opinions.
In hindsight, I would go as far as to say that Brexit needed to be stopped twenty years ago if it was going to be stopped at all. I still remember the moment back in 1999 that Nigel Ferage got enough votes to become an MEP - Brexit suddenly went from something that only the most obscure backbench MPs spoke about to a real mainstream movement that gained traction up and down the land. And what's more, he was very quickly helped by the fact that Tony Blair started to talk about joining the Euro at the same time and the flood of Eastern European migrants a few years later. Anyone who tried to stop Brexit in 2016 and beyond was fighting a battle against people who had been stoked for two decades to leave.
