Brexit Day is cometh

[unknownsample]

The UK should have left literally years ago. They've lost a lot of leverage postponing it for so long.
Don't worry, the brits will have the last laugh as the EU collapses under its own weight in less than a decade.

The problem was Parliament. It hated Brexit and it hated those who voted for it which is why (Leave) Boris got such an overwhelming mandate over (Remain) Corbyn. In my personal opinion, the problem was that Parliament is in London - which is the most Remain part of the UK besides Scotland. By being surrounded by nothing but Remainers, they convinced themselves that Leavers were ''The Outlying Other'' beyond their borders as opposed to actual people who had different thoughts and opinions.

In hindsight, I would go as far as to say that Brexit needed to be stopped twenty years ago if it was going to be stopped at all. I still remember the moment back in 1999 that Nigel Ferage got enough votes to become an MEP - Brexit suddenly went from something that only the most obscure backbench MPs spoke about to a real mainstream movement that gained traction up and down the land. And what's more, he was very quickly helped by the fact that Tony Blair started to talk about joining the Euro at the same time and the flood of Eastern European migrants a few years later. Anyone who tried to stop Brexit in 2016 and beyond was fighting a battle against people who had been stoked for two decades to leave.

That is a complete and utter rewriting of history.

1. How do you explain all those MPs in favour of Brexit?

2. These same MPs like Jacob Rees-Mogg and the rest of his European Research Group mates were the ones shooting down any Brexit deal.

3. Plenty of Mps were aware of how people felt, usually through all the death threats they recieved.

4. Corbyn was never for remain, he was attacked from within and without the Labour Party for being too weak on the issue.

5. Britain never did join the Euro

6. Eastern European immigration was never high in places like Cornwall which voted heavily for Brexit.

7. It never was a real movement most people didn't have a clue what they were voting for.

[clearspira]

The UK should have left literally years ago. They've lost a lot of leverage postponing it for so long.
Don't worry, the brits will have the last laugh as the EU collapses under its own weight in less than a decade.

The problem was Parliament. It hated Brexit and it hated those who voted for it which is why (Leave) Boris got such an overwhelming mandate over (Remain) Corbyn. In my personal opinion, the problem was that Parliament is in London - which is the most Remain part of the UK besides Scotland. By being surrounded by nothing but Remainers, they convinced themselves that Leavers were ''The Outlying Other'' beyond their borders as opposed to actual people who had different thoughts and opinions.

In hindsight, I would go as far as to say that Brexit needed to be stopped twenty years ago if it was going to be stopped at all. I still remember the moment back in 1999 that Nigel Ferage got enough votes to become an MEP - Brexit suddenly went from something that only the most obscure backbench MPs spoke about to a real mainstream movement that gained traction up and down the land. And what's more, he was very quickly helped by the fact that Tony Blair started to talk about joining the Euro at the same time and the flood of Eastern European migrants a few years later. Anyone who tried to stop Brexit in 2016 and beyond was fighting a battle against people who had been stoked for two decades to leave.

That is a complete and utter rewriting of history.

1. How do you explain all those MPs in favour of Brexit?

2. These same MPs like Jacob Rees-Mogg and the rest of his European Research Group mates were the ones shooting down any Brexit deal.

3. Plenty of Mps were aware of how people felt, usually through all the death threats they recieved.

4. Corbyn was never for remain, he was attacked from within and without the Labour Party for being too weak on the issue.

5. Britain never did join the Euro

6. Eastern European immigration was never high in places like Cornwall which voted heavily for Brexit.

7. It never was a real movement most people didn't have a clue what they were voting for.

The Leave MPs were outnumbered by two thirds in the Commons and by even more in the Lords.

Jacob kept on shooting down a Brexit deal that no one, Leavers or Remainers alike were happy with.

And yet kept on ignoring it. Part of the reason why they were getting death threats in the first place (which I do NOT agree with BTW).

Corbyn was Remain enough. He was advocating a half-assed customs arrangement that would have had us out of the EU but still following most of its rules WITHOUT the ability to set them. That's not leaving the EU, arguably that's worse than not leaving at all.

Britain never did join the Euro is irrelevant. It was a risk. It was debated. That was enough for Ferage to capitalise. That's like saying ''yeah, well, the penis rot virus never did take hold now did it?''

No, Cornwall wasn't hit by immigration. It was hit by the EU stealing our fishing waters.

For something that wasn't a real movement, it sure as fuck did well in 2016 didn't it?

[Madner Kami]

No, Cornwall wasn't hit by immigration. It was hit by the EU stealing our fishing waters.

Why does this shit keep creeping up...

https://www.bbc.com/news/52420116

Please, understand once and for all, that all british problems are problems made by british decission-makers. You de-industrialized, because Thatcher made you. You lost fishing incomes, because your politicians sold the quotas. And now you are going to loose easy access to the biggest trading block in human history, because you somehow think you can do better all on your own against the world. Noone took anything away from you, other than yourself.

[Captain Crimson]

No, Cornwall wasn't hit by immigration. It was hit by the EU stealing our fishing waters.

Why does this shit keep creeping up...

https://www.bbc.com/news/52420116

Please, understand once and for all, that all british problems are problems made by british decission-makers. You de-industrialized, because Thatcher made you. You lost fishing incomes, because your politicians sold the quotas. And now you are going to loose easy access to the biggest trading block in human history, because you somehow think you can do better all on your own against the world. Noone took anything away from you, other than yourself.

Be fair, a lot of Americans think either Texas or California could do the same thing and not only keep going as status quo, but thrive. Like CALEXIT OR TEXIT.

[Robovski]

Things could get real interesting in that they get rapidly Victorian/Napoleonic as soon as someone starts trying to enforce anything with actual force. British Navy isn't what it was, but neither is anyone else's on the continent.

[Antiboyscout]

No, Cornwall wasn't hit by immigration. It was hit by the EU stealing our fishing waters.

Why does this shit keep creeping up...

https://www.bbc.com/news/52420116

Please, understand once and for all, that all british problems are problems made by british decission-makers. You de-industrialized, because Thatcher made you. You lost fishing incomes, because your politicians sold the quotas. And now you are going to loose easy access to the biggest trading block in human history, because you somehow think you can do better all on your own against the world. Noone took anything away from you, other than yourself.

NAFTA is still open to them

[unknownsample]

No, Cornwall wasn't hit by immigration. It was hit by the EU stealing our fishing waters.

Why does this shit keep creeping up...

https://www.bbc.com/news/52420116

Please, understand once and for all, that all british problems are problems made by british decission-makers. You de-industrialized, because Thatcher made you. You lost fishing incomes, because your politicians sold the quotas. And now you are going to loose easy access to the biggest trading block in human history, because you somehow think you can do better all on your own against the world. Noone took anything away from you, other than yourself.

Yeah but let's blame the EU instead, also Clearspira fails to mention that Cornwall recieved £700 million in EU state aid.

[unknownsample]

The Leave MPs were outnumbered by two thirds in the Commons and by even more in the Lords.

That still doesn't explain your claim that MPs were surrounded by Remainers and treated leavers as the outlying other. MPs don't spend all their time in Westminster they do spend time in their constituencies and so would be aware of how their constituents felt.

Jacob kept on shooting down a Brexit deal that no one, Leavers or Remainers alike were happy with.

Jacob and the rest of the ERG would have voted down any deal no matter how much that deal appeased them. They always wanted a No deal Brexit so Britain can be turned into a North sea Monte Carlo.

And yet kept on ignoring it. Part of the reason why they were getting death threats in the first place (which I do NOT agree with BTW).

Also the likes of Johnson stirring things up with language like surrender, betrayal and traitor.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/26/surrender-humbug-most-heated-exchanges-in-commons-debate

Corbyn was Remain enough. He was advocating a half-assed customs arrangement that would have had us out of the EU but still following most of its rules WITHOUT the ability to set them. That's not leaving the EU, arguably that's worse than not leaving at all.

He had to be dragged kicking and screaming to that and since we voted to leave what do you expect that we leave but get to keep all our perks?

Britain never did join the Euro is irrelevant. It was a risk. It was debated. That was enough for Ferage to capitalise. That's like saying ''yeah, well, the penis rot virus never did take hold now did it?''

Oh FFS first joining the Euro was never mentioned by Farage during Brexit. What happened with the Euro was it was debated, the pros and cons were weighed up and ultimately it was decided that we wouldn't join. Farage being the odious, lying, deceitful shit wouldn't understand this.

No, Cornwall wasn't hit by immigration. It was hit by the EU stealing our fishing waters.

As Madner points out those waters were given away not to mention Cornwall recieves £700 million in state aid and despite voting to leave still think they're entitled to it.

For something that wasn't a real movement, it sure as fuck did well in 2016 didn't it?

Well leave won by 4% despite being backed by the likes of Arron Banks and James Dyson (Whose sodded off to Singapore). When it comes to why leave in my view a lot of people voted leave as a protest vote not thinking leave would win and not full aware of the consequence of their actions.

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

I'd really like to make fun of the UK's government, but uh...people in glass houses and all that. =/