Star Trek changing direction

[Thebestoftherest]

So....the rumor is

Any reliable source for these rumors? Or just the same old pessimist speculation-as-rumor?

Do you mean past the usual FM style nonsense? Nerdrotic, Overlord DVD, G&G, and others? Probably not.

Being right on a few things has hardly given them credibility except a few small individuals among their following. And even then, it's 50-50.

With respect, I can tell you haven't watched all that much of the people you mentioned. You've been TOLD certainly, probably by people in your own circles with agendas, just as I have been TOLD about the people you watch probably by people with agendas. Maybe you have even seen a few videos in passing. But the actual reason why they are hated is that they have an accuracy rating far beyond what you give them credit for. Doomcock in particular has a tendency to break news weeks in advance of anyone else.

Didn't he steal credit for the JediPaxis leaks? And maybe I just don't want to believe him since it would mean they're going to decanonize the sequels and rebrand them Legends, which is just complete marketing suicide, for two swaths of fandom. Granted, SWL has had so many retcons, you could easily fix this with a patch job. Show an aged Grand Master Luke waking up, heading down to breakfast with his son Ben (Skywalker), and admitting he had a weird dream. That said, would sequel fans accept that? People like the ST because they've never seen anything like it before, while EU fans know better and stamp our feet in exasperation at the lies they told us in 2014. Also, I have zero faith in them to actually address the continuity retcons the ST would generate by arbitrarily just removing it from the DSW and plopping into SWL. How would you feel if they just took the three reboot films, and then dumped them into the TOS movies? Or TOS? Then you will see what I'm saying here.

The ST were NOT built with the EU in mind past what to steal. Mr. Chee had promised for years, he'd address the continuity retcons that had piled up nonstop with TCW because Mr. Filoni got permission from Mr. Lucas to do whatever he felt like, as soon as it was over. And before that came, Disney then took over. And they have not done so yet. We also know why. I feel like Kylo Ren's line about the past came directly from the story group, or Ms. Kennedy. That's why they're doing this. Bury SWL, bury the OT, bury the original cast. Let the past die. KILL IT IF YOU HAVE TO. We do know Mr. Johnson went to talk to the story group, so that could be. On decanonizing the ST, even Overlord himself said, "take it with a grain of salt." This seems custom built to stir up fandom, raise hope in ST haters and tighten the sphincters of SWL fans. He has "sources" he can't name and insists it's something you should be skeptical about. My, how convenient for him, huh?

I also saw his vid on STP, and TBH, I don't buy it. They deliberately wanted to shame and humiliate Picard. No, nope, no matter what "culture war" nonsense you spout at me. It's not too dissimilar from Itchy's bitter vid where he rails in such a low, raspy, hate tone on them ruining Luke from milking the space otter to make it "matriarchal" for "feminist" reasons. Lord knows I take issues with that scene, primarily for much the reasons you have, yet I do not buy that tripe. I consider myself a glass-ceiling feminist, and for that scene, to call it matriarchal is purely speculative. Sure, some employees that are clearly the SJW woke crowd who do not like patriarchy wanna go after him for that reason. But it is still hypothesizing since we don't know what to what extent they played in crafting the ST. Only a few people we can positively identify.

Ahem, KYLO REN WAS THE BAD GUY. Can people please stop acting like the film's act like he was in the right.

[Captain Crimson]

So....the rumor is

Any reliable source for these rumors? Or just the same old pessimist speculation-as-rumor?

Do you mean past the usual FM style nonsense? Nerdrotic, Overlord DVD, G&G, and others? Probably not.

Being right on a few things has hardly given them credibility except a few small individuals among their following. And even then, it's 50-50.

With respect, I can tell you haven't watched all that much of the people you mentioned. You've been TOLD certainly, probably by people in your own circles with agendas, just as I have been TOLD about the people you watch probably by people with agendas. Maybe you have even seen a few videos in passing. But the actual reason why they are hated is that they have an accuracy rating far beyond what you give them credit for. Doomcock in particular has a tendency to break news weeks in advance of anyone else.

Didn't he steal credit for the JediPaxis leaks? And maybe I just don't want to believe him since it would mean they're going to decanonize the sequels and rebrand them Legends, which is just complete marketing suicide, for two swaths of fandom. Granted, SWL has had so many retcons, you could easily fix this with a patch job. Show an aged Grand Master Luke waking up, heading down to breakfast with his son Ben (Skywalker), and admitting he had a weird dream. That said, would sequel fans accept that? People like the ST because they've never seen anything like it before, while EU fans know better and stamp our feet in exasperation at the lies they told us in 2014. Also, I have zero faith in them to actually address the continuity retcons the ST would generate by arbitrarily just removing it from the DSW and plopping into SWL. How would you feel if they just took the three reboot films, and then dumped them into the TOS movies? Or TOS? Then you will see what I'm saying here.

The ST were NOT built with the EU in mind past what to steal. Mr. Chee had promised for years, he'd address the continuity retcons that had piled up nonstop with TCW because Mr. Filoni got permission from Mr. Lucas to do whatever he felt like, as soon as it was over. And before that came, Disney then took over. And they have not done so yet. We also know why. I feel like Kylo Ren's line about the past came directly from the story group, or Ms. Kennedy. That's why they're doing this. Bury SWL, bury the OT, bury the original cast. Let the past die. KILL IT IF YOU HAVE TO. We do know Mr. Johnson went to talk to the story group, so that could be. On decanonizing the ST, even Overlord himself said, "take it with a grain of salt." This seems custom built to stir up fandom, raise hope in ST haters and tighten the sphincters of SWL fans. He has "sources" he can't name and insists it's something you should be skeptical about. My, how convenient for him, huh?

I also saw his vid on STP, and TBH, I don't buy it. They deliberately wanted to shame and humiliate Picard. No, nope, no matter what "culture war" nonsense you spout at me. It's not too dissimilar from Itchy's bitter vid where he rails in such a low, raspy, hate tone on them ruining Luke from milking the space otter to make it "matriarchal" for "feminist" reasons. Lord knows I take issues with that scene, primarily for much the reasons you have, yet I do not buy that tripe. I consider myself a glass-ceiling feminist, and for that scene, to call it matriarchal is purely speculative. Sure, some employees that are clearly the SJW woke crowd who do not like patriarchy wanna go after him for that reason. But it is still hypothesizing since we don't know what to what extent they played in crafting the ST. Only a few people we can positively identify.

Ahem, KYLO REN WAS THE BAD GUY. Can people please stop acting like the film's act like he was in the right.

It is entirely the DSW's management policy for SW, however, and marry that to incompetence, you'll see what we've got.

[Thebestoftherest]

Says who?

[Captain Crimson]

Says who?

When the EU (and no, "recanonizing" is not the same thing as more Legends), the OT cast, and the OT characters are dead, what can you call it?

[McAvoy]

I like how Tilly says fuck more incidentally more than customary though.

Star Trek Picard they mostly just used it as fan service to shoot down the premise of TMP.

I like Tilly. It might be due to my preference of redheads though.

No offence, but that does back up my theory that if Tilly was male then she would be just as hated as Wesley. Being female lets you get away with obnoxious behaviour as cute or attractive - which lets be honest is a form if passive sexism that hurts everyone.

To be honest, I don't remember much about her so I don't remember her being obnoxious or anything. To me she felt like a above average person at the beginning of her career.

I just... Have a thing for redheads.

[CharlesPhipps]

Tilly is adorable and a lot of us didn't hate Wesley Crusher.

[Captain Crimson]

Tilly is adorable and a lot of us didn't hate Wesley Crusher.

I don't. It does feel as if Mr. Chuck had got too mean-spirited on him after S1-S2, which he's been accused of before, and I hate to beat on that, but some of it may be hyperbolic language for the joke. In S3, he was no different than any other Starfleet officer, which I felt was okay.

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

I like how Tilly says fuck more incidentally more than customary though.

Star Trek Picard they mostly just used it as fan service to shoot down the premise of TMP.

I like Tilly. It might be due to my preference of redheads though.

No offence, but that does back up my theory that if Tilly was male then she would be just as hated as Wesley. Being female lets you get away with obnoxious behaviour as cute or attractive - which lets be honest is a form if passive sexism that hurts everyone.

Meet me on the field of honor. This insult must be avenged.

[clearspira]

Tilly is adorable and a lot of us didn't hate Wesley Crusher.

I don't. It does feel as if Mr. Chuck had got too mean-spirited on him after S1-S2, which he's been accused of before, and I hate to beat on that, but some of it may be hyperbolic language for the joke. In S3, he was no different than any other Starfleet officer, which I felt was okay.

Season 1 and 2 Wesley was insufferable and did great harm to the show.

Season 3 Wesley was fine. He became a heterosexual Harry Kim.

Season 5 Wesley was a mixed bag. He once again became the ''only Wesley can save the ship guy'' in ''The Game'' but then featured in ''The First Duty'' which is one of the best episodes of TNG.

Season 7 Wesley shouldn't have happened. I guess they had to resolve the Traveller plot, but him going off to become a genie had no pay off seeing as he is apparently human again in ''Nemesis''. He's also back in Starfleet again, so apparently, going directly against Picard's orders to save the space Indians did not matter. Although given Picard's actions in ''Insurrection'', maybe Picard realised his own hypocrisy and stepped in? I dunno. I'm looking forward to Chuck reviewing that one.

[Captain Crimson]

Season 3 Wesley was fine. He became a heterosexual Harry Kim.

Now that's an insult I can't countenance, pardner. Wesley is nowhere near as messed up as Harry Kim.