unknownsample wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 1:17 am
Captain Crimson wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 7:41 pm
unknownsample wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 6:17 pm
The passion is all on the GOP's side, not for the DNC's side. That doesn't bode well. Which is why I suspect Mr. 45 is poised to take the white house again.
Yeah I know Biden supporters aren't blocking roads to stop people voting, trying to run off the Trump bus in Texas or getting militias to act as poll watchers.
Moving the goalposts. And appeal to emotion fallacy. And it should go without saying I'm not a fan of thuggish campaign tactics, but since others may use that to put words in my mouth, I'll add it. Who likes the mafia?
The difference is this.
The energy driving democratic mobilization is merely being against everything Mr. 45 is for while ironically not seeing they've become like the GOP was for Mr. Obama and going with a rationalization bias for it. That does not equate to enthusiasm for Mr. Biden personally and indeed, we see that with many other democratic supporters. It's everywhere you go online, such as the case with CharlesPhipps here, but not something cable news wants you to realize. It's an unsustainable coalition held together very flimsily, as history says victorious democratic candidates don't do very well when not voting with their hearts. Mr. Biden will not have the mandate of the people even if he wins. It also should not be controversial to say Mr. Biden has run a lousy campaign so far, maybe even worse than Ms. Clinton had done. But we'll leave that to history. We all know what happened with her, though.
The energy driving republican mobilization is far different, as they are the only ones enthusiastic with and who really love their guy, and not purely for the reasons the conventional wisdom is which paints voting now as a matter of social responsibility and our elites putting enormous pressure on us to "do the moral thing" as they wallow in their own double standards - that Trump voters are just a bunch of racist, sexist pigs! I've never bought into that any more than the vast majority of Clinton/Sanders and now Biden voters are the rioters RN. It's always a tiny handful of small and vocal actors you can spot a mile away, the same handful of people who do this over and over. It should be undeniable Mr. 45 has drive, energy, aggression, and some would even claim charisma in the same way past populist tyrants have had. It gives him a core base of support that is offset by those hate-voting against the DNC, and coupled with left-leaning cultural shifts, it's silencing those voters out of fear of social ostracization, and I think it's undeserved. The same way that you could be fired over sexual preferences, you could be blacklisted for admitting your voting preference, and those inclined toward the GOP have been hit with that as much as businesses that fire a gay worker, before you cite those examples, which I don't doubt have happened. But the key difference is that the MSM has gone out of its way to make war on Mr. 45 in ways past the normal, so that it's led to even more silencing. My impression is they really do believe controlling the information means they make the information, and so they've been trapped in echo-chambers. They hate that he's discrediting the cable news when the internet has already done that. Look no further than polling breakdown, not an outlier, but a new standard. I saw a really great study piece on this that treated polling more as a form of science analysis and not meant for political ends. And that is why I think they will get the votes needed in the EC to help Mr. 45 win, but he was never going to win the popular vote. Ever.
But, I hope I'm wrong.
I just wish you'd admit outright that you support Trump. Rather than adopt this I'm above it all act.
Talking about bleedin' putting words in my mouth. Your assumptions don't amount to a single piece of reality. I did not want to vote this year, at all, so no. Just because somebody is a centrist who stands against the DNC and the GOP, you automatically assume they must vote for Mr. 45. Assuming that Mr. 45 wins tomorrow, I wonder how you'll shift the blame to "people like me?" The reality is I see a whole other landscape than the liberal elites and gossip pundits do isolated in their coastal cities and urban population centers. And I see the breakdown in 2016, not as an outlier, but a paradigm shift that will require great dedication to fix, but part of that requires being honest with ourselves.
Who has time to answer a half-hour telephone call from a stranger? Plus online polls don't amount to a hill of beans since the internet breeds anonymity, but also a distrust of anonymity. I find those who are more geared to a type of focus-group research project are yielding far better results and they say the quiet Trump voter effect is more pronounced. Do you want to see the source I've used? Why not. Because no one is disputing that Mr. Biden will take the popular, and IMO, I think the EC votes should be allocated proportionally. Because the irony is Mr. 45 really could win reelection again, but he'll be a popular electoral-college president, not one liked by much of the country. Double irony being that Mr. Biden could also win the popular vote and EC, but will not have the mandate of the people given his extreme low visibility in 2020. Say he's running a bad campaign like it was in 2016, you get called a Trump voter. Highlights exactly what I've been saying.
You don't believe me on Mr. 45 having the perfect sales pitch and promotion energy down to an art form, which is where his support comes from? Look no further than Mr. Lewis Black who'd said of Mr. Beck a while back that "Hitler had charisma." It requires a little bit of larceny in order to understand the worst traits of humanity, but it does not make you like those you relate to. Or are you forgetting
Space Seed from TOS? Doesn't mean you support them, but it does add the nuance that right and left-wing radicals don't see.
