The great 2020 election thread....

[Captain Crimson]

And I'm Hunter Biden.

[ProfessorDetective]

Aaron Sorkin said this and while he's heavy handed....eh. Is he wrong?


youtu.be/4WVn2ubwIVM

Yeah... No, that's pretty much the long and short of it. If the Repubs were mostly like this fella, I'd be less terrified of them being in power.

[Captain Crimson]

It may be unpopular to say, but I wanna lay down yet again why I think dems are self-sabotating with the snarling venom I've received for that. Because my sentiment is the DNC doesn't really want to win so much as complain. Look, I think we can pretty much all agree electing Mr. Dubya was a mistake at this point in time, for a variety of reasons many people and even republicans could point out.

Yet, everything I hear from older voters is that Mr. Clinton distanced himself too much from Mr. Gore. The justification being the idea that the sex scandal could blow that controversy onto him. My view is many Americans expect and don't care about sex scandals from our politicians. But if Mr. Clinton had made more of an active attempt to campaign for Mr. Gore, maybe 9/11 wouldn't have happened, or a similar terrorist attack could have been delayed by many years if Mr. Gore had won. It may have given him Florida. We just can't say for sure.

If the DNC really feels that the GOP has crossed a line of decency and normalcy, then why couldn't Mr. Obama sail into the fray early and endorse Ms. Clinton? He waited till the primaries were over. I suspect if he had thrown his hat into the ring early then perhaps those tens of thousands of votes may have been offset in a few states. Now, Mr. Obama has lost the bully pulpit and the advantages which incumbency give a person, and as we've seen in recent times, he's become "too centrist" for the dems now even though Mr. Obama has always been this way. Bottom line is if the DNC actually wants to win then they need to step up their game. They are ignoring history, and that's why it's repeating through the generations, is what I feel.

And just in case you feel I'm being contrarian merely for its own sake, I will add I think there's a limited window of opportunity in which a sitting president can help their successor enter the white house, at a point when they're still at their hottest. As Mr. Reagan proved, if you play your cards right, you can ensure your party keeps control for 12 years, maybe longer if it's the right successor.

[J!!]

I have somehow become modertely intoxicated

[Captain Crimson]

I have somehow become modertely intoxicated

Totally understandable. If drink gets you past this, go ahead.

[clearspira]

Just waking up here so this is my first look at the result. Looks like a Biden victory but its close - America looks just as divided as it was 4 years ago.

[clearspira]

This is good evidence as to why you should always ignore pollsters. No matter what happens, Trump's got got a lot of places that Biden was stated to win. He's done better than so many thought - hoped - he would.

[Captain Crimson]

This is good evidence as to why you should always ignore pollsters. No matter what happens, Trump's got got a lot of places that Biden was stated to win. He's done better than so many thought - hoped - he would.

See? I kept saying it over and over. Harping on Russian trolls won't fix the fact polling is a fundamentally flawed and outdated system. I was looking to the more unconventional research groups, and they said the same thing. The DNC really has become out-of-touch, many of the young progressive base even admit to that.

I also see a totally different story in Florida than the MSM reports, being that I talk to people who I suspect fit the mold of a Trump voter, but are not actual psychopaths or sneering, racist, sexist pigs as the MSM would have you think. This needs serious analysis on why quiet, ordinary, everyday people, not the loud and vocal types you see on the news, are leaving the democratic party this way in battleground states, but will they? I'm not confident...

Sigh... this was why I was so hesitant to throw my hat in the ring. It feels as if all that hard work was for nothing. I think I'm going to be taking an extended leave of absence from the board to look out for my family, to hold us all together through this. I will not have a repeat of 2016 in my personal life again.

[Rocketboy1313]

Boy I was hoping for the nation to give a clear and loud rejection of fascism and... It did not deliver.

This damn country.
You could run an ice cream cone against a kick to head and it would still be an uncomfortably tight race.

Or in this case a well meaning grandpa against a guy who caused the plague we are all living in right now.

[Captain Crimson]

Well, my mom's doing okay, since she still seems to see a way Mr. Biden could take 270 EC votes. And possibly he will, but it's hardly the blue wave people wanted.

Boy I was hoping for the nation to give a clear and loud rejection of fascism and... It did not deliver.

This damn country.
You could run an ice cream cone against a kick to head and it would still be an uncomfortably tight race.

Or in this case a well meaning grandpa against a guy who caused the plague we are all living in right now.

Fascism, or popular tyranny, has been a mainstay of civilization since caveman days. We can't change it now. We just have to let the checks and balances we have hold it at bay so we endure the worst of our impulses.

Here's my takeaway, and it's what I see in my little slice of Florida. Mr. 45 has outperformed with minorities. Even if Mr. Biden wins, it's not going to seem legitimate given how close it is and how he wasn't that popular to begin with, and that his own party doesn't care for him. Why are minorities disagreeing with the MSM's assertions that Mr. 45 is not a reactionary, according to some polls?

I am friends with many minorities. People I meet every day. Black people, Latinos, and all in between. And many of them I talk to hate BLM and MeToo with a frothing passion. They think it was rioting in the name of one man's death. They are not fans of Mr. 45, they just don't like the violence and civil upheaval, and some think it's reverse racism against white people. Not white people saying this, minorities. Fuzzy's comments about "fetishizing" black women would disgust them. That should give you some serious pause. Because their skin color doesn't matter to me as people. And if you like black skin for romantic ideals, you should be able to pursue that without being accused of some kind of vague prejudice label whether you are right, black, brown, purple, whatever else.

What I take away is that even if Mr. Biden wins, this so-called coalition he's built is entirely flimsy. It can't last four years. I said that all along. And I got called a hateful Trump voter.

Now you see why Mr. Chuck never posts his political views.