45 Refuses to Leave

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

Okay, so most of us saw this coming. The president spent pretty much the entire election refusing to agree to a peaceful transfer of power. He called the voting illegitimate before it even started. He's called for the votes to stop being counted if he risked losing a lead while insisting they keep counting until he wins.

I'm still looking for the energy to properly celebrate 45's electoral defeat. I gotta say though, this is saddening to me. I have my problems with this country, but one thing I've always been able to count on, something we've had from the get-go, was peaceful transfer of power.

I don't know what's gonna happen. Lots of people are reassuring me, but I'm still scared about it. Is it all over bar the shouting? Yeah, he seems powerless to do anything about it, but he seemed powerless during the early 2016 election, and almost every thing he's done has been preceded with people saying "but he can't do that!"

[Madner Kami]

Noone on the executive is on his side, as far as I can tell. Police won't protect him, if he tries to stay in the White House, refusing to open the door for Biden. The military won't. The Secret Service won't. The FBI won't. And so on and on. What Trump has, is a cabal of politicians and lawyers around him, who have no real power as far as I can see and even though that piece of humanoid psychomagnotheric slime may be able to delay the transfer of power, he simply won't be able to refuse by any violent means, quite the contrary even. Once the legal proceedings will have been adhered to, police, FBI, the military and even the SS will gladly help in removing him peacefully with just some gentle proddings at most.

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

The FBI and military I can get, but what about the police? They're armed to the teeth and their fraternal order loves him.

[TexasRed]

and almost every thing he's done has been preceded with people saying "but he can't do that!"

Well maybe you should stop listening to those people, and instead go and look into the legalities yourself to see what legal options he actually does have.

I've also noticed the never ending shouts of "he can't do that" but in almost every single case there's a lack of a law that specifically prevents that particular action or people shout "he can't do that" because he's violating a tradition. Traditions aren't laws, and while a tradition often becomes one because it just makes sense, it's not legally binding.

As far as his lawsuits and demanding recounts are concerned, well he has the legal right to dispute the election results and demand recounts. Whether or not he gets his way is up to the courts, but he does have the legal right to take every action he as taken thus far.

Biden doesn't technically become the "President Elect" until after the electoral college meets on either December 11th or 12th (I can't remember which). I should add that if you think things are going to really change much after he is gone, well I'm sorry to tell they ain't. The seismic shift in US foreign policy away from Europe and toward Asia is now cemented in place with binding deals and treaties, and the discontentment with our supposed European allies is going to keep building.

The republicans are likely to retain control of the Senate and have gained massively in the house so Biden's likely to be a lame duck President, add to this the growing rift between centrist Democrats and Progressives and we're likely to see a major split between the two groups while the Republicans seem to be consolidating.

Add to all this that it's clear that many minorities simply weren't buying the "He's a racist" or "he's a fascist" lines, and it seems that he more than doubled his support among African Americans and Latino voters and saw gains in numerous other minority groups as well, it also didn't help that Richard Spencer, a well known White supremacists switched to Biden and this did in fact turn many people off Biden in much the same way that it turned people off Trump.

Like it or not a lot of people agreed with Trump's foreign policy and support many of the bills that he signed into law they just hated the man himself, whether it was because of his constant bickering, or sexism, or his lack of ability to keep his mouth shut, or simply because they thought him to be gross and uncouth many people opted instead to vote against Trump but for his policies by choosing Republicans over Democrats in many local elections.

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

ouch.

I mean, some of them were actual laws, like the emoluments clause.

[TexasRed]

ouch.

I mean, some of them were actual laws, like the emoluments clause.

I'm referring specifically to the events that have occurred post election day.

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

Oh no, I was talking about the stuff he did throughout his presidency, not the post-November 3rd shenanigans.

[TexasRed]

Oh no, I was talking about the stuff he did throughout his presidency, not the post-November 3rd shenanigans.

Then I suggest you change the thread name to reflect that, as the current title implies otherwise.

[unknownsample]

and have gained massively in the house so Biden's likely to be a lame duck President.

By gained massively you mean six seats

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng- ... r-congress

[TexasRed]

and have gained massively in the house so Biden's likely to be a lame duck President.

By gained massively you mean six seats

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng- ... r-congress

Oh the loses go much further than a mere six seats.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/tru ... -democrats

As an analyst one must take all data points into consideration. The loses in the house have stripped the Dems of a super majority and if this repeats at anywhere near the same scale come 2022 the dems will suffer their biggest loss in decades.