MAGA rally in DC turns violent as 45's supporters attack

[Makeshift Python]

I don't recall leftist organizations plotting to kidnap and murder Republican governors. That's not to say the left can't stir shit up, but the right has taken it a lot further and like to coat that with cliche catchphrases like "FREEDUM" "WE THE PEOPLE!" like that idiotic dudebro Graham Allen on social media.

[Captain Crimson]

Well let's not say anything we can't take back.

Captain, these are astute observations of convention. But you aren't really charging these people to any constitution that recognizes a polar framework. You're dismissing the left as the left, but not actually assessing any of the social conditions that either side is principally arguing over.

You're framing it as people vs government, and you're ONLY talking about the left despite the right having an incredibly overt hand in this stuff.

It's especially frustrating to me since I feel as if the left is the way to progress and the future, but it needs moderation. It was leftists, after all, who helped push for the bedrock of our progress today, so that many conservatives or righties today would be considered the leftists of yesteryear. But I think it is because the radical left, as opposed to the left in general, are self-sabotaging in a way the alt right is not, assuming you believe they're both equally a threat, that the public perception is more of them as a threat than the right.

If the white supremacists are on par with arsonists and looters and idiots who want to abolish police, then they are sure holding back to try and wait and bide their time to wait to act which, I admit, is a distinct possibility. You want gains, you play the long game. It's really hard to hear the left prattle on about militia groups when the overwhelming violence now from the streets are protesters, ordinary people, or victims who just take it too far, which is I suppose why they want to paint the cops as KKK in their abolition campaign.

So what if we hate the positions other users hold? Who cares. Can we not hate them as people, please? I guess not. Maybe it's just because I've had horrible experiences with well-meaning SJW types who earnestly talk down to me in telling me how "wrong" I am on matters that are not intrinsic fact, and the whole "right side of history" argument. It's irritating.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

Well let's not say anything we can't take back.

Captain, these are astute observations of convention. But you aren't really charging these people to any constitution that recognizes a polar framework. You're dismissing the left as the left, but not actually assessing any of the social conditions that either side is principally arguing over.

You're framing it as people vs government, and you're ONLY talking about the left despite the right having an incredibly overt hand in this stuff.

It's especially frustrating to me since I feel as if the left is the way to progress and the future, but it needs moderation. It was leftists, after all, who helped push for the bedrock of our progress today, so that many conservatives or righties today would be considered the leftists of yesteryear. But I think it is because the radical left, as opposed to the left in general, are self-sabotaging in a way the alt right is not, assuming you believe they're both equally a threat, that the public perception is more of them as a threat than the right.

This was namely a problem with the last presidential election. The problem of who would be the next candidate vs the initiative to stop Trump was a maelstrom. This time around there was a lot less noise from the Primaries turnout.

If the white supremacists are on par with arsonists and looters and idiots who want to abolish police, then they are sure holding back to try and wait and bide their time to wait to act which, I admit, is a distinct possibility. You want gains, you play the long game. It's really hard to hear the left prattle on about militia groups when the overwhelming violence now from the streets are protesters, ordinary people, or victims who just take it too far, which is I suppose why they want to paint the cops as KKK in their abolition campaign.

So what if we hate the positions other users hold? Who cares. Can we not hate them as people, please? I guess not. Maybe it's just because I've had horrible experiences with well-meaning SJW types who earnestly talk down to me in telling me how "wrong" I am on matters that are not intrinsic fact, and the whole "right side of history" argument. It's irritating.

The last several years we've had a normalization of mass shootings as events. A good number of it has been to the tune of religious or national extremism, to which the left is heavily concerned about in the form of gun-rights debate. Otherwise it's fringe nonpartisan individuals to which I digress. Political issues do not happen in a vacuum as a propaganda dujour. It's the running response to ALL of these issues that tends to literally sustain a divide of social bodies.

I really can't speak to anybody's behavior here, though I still think there's room for me not to condone it. On the other hand, you can speculate on the house of cards that the new left plays, and somewhat tie the hands of the left establishment over it. But it feels somewhat like you're treating pretty much anything up for discussion on the left as essentially leftist propaganda. Idunno though I don't read everything.

[Captain Crimson]

More that I'm still shaking off the uncleanliness from having to vote for a party I don't believe in. Mr. Biden has won, my family will stress less. I've tried to tell them over and over, Trumpism is the symptom, not the cause to our problems. They don't listen. And what happens now? What happens is the US can't ignore the problems that has built up for generations with a convenient scapegoat to convince ourselves it is atypical, not a new standard, and it's going to get very ugly, very fast.

And perhaps I'm just beneficiary to the progress made in the '60s, but Mr. Biden's paternalism and creepiness just unsettles me. He makes all of us uncomfortable. Younger people, women, minorities, feminists, the whole works. Remember the time he sniffed some children's hair? His "grabbiness?" And the DNC still won't address the allegations from Ms. Reade. It's like Bill and Hillary all over again... this "coalition" is so fragile, united only by hatred, well... I don't think it will even last two years once Mr. 45 is gone and Mr. Biden has taken over. I give it a few months, especially since COVID-19 is likely to be on the way out next summer, and we begin experiencing buyer's remorse, unless the MSM covers it up.

Young people now make up a near overwhelming majority. And the DNC sold their soul to beat Mr. 45. It was shameless, as if they were rationalizing it to themselves in blaming him and him alone in the problems we face, that everything was going along just fine until along comes this crass outsider, and suddenly it all goes to s***! Or Russia! Has to be Ivan from the Cold War again! Wha...? Their military is so archaic, they have to tug some of their battleships along! Wha...? Mr. Putin may be awful, but he is nowhere near this scheming, diabolical evil genius liberal elites want us to think he is.

I had to vote for them at a time that I feel the DNC is perhaps even more tone-deaf than the GOP is. That the slightest criticism gets you screamed down, because being anti-Biden makes you pro-Trump. And I'm still firmly convinced Mr. Biden is going to die or resign in the WH, so that Ms. Harris inherits the OO through chain of succession. There's your empowerment, ladies! That, or he doesn't step aside in 2024 to let the next generation step up. Why should he? It runs contrary to human nature once you get power, especially power you've dreamed of for decades, you're not going to want to give it up, and the world almost literally revolves around you.

Again, I ask. What now? In truth, in a few short years, we may wish for Mr. 45 back. Since he was clearly an inept buffoon, but an easy, blunt public face to the chasms and rifts in USA. And so, he's easier to fight. Now we don't have him to blame anymore. What happens when a more competent and verbally restrained autocrat steps up?

What now? The DNC never answered. And perhaps they should have focused on Congress and not the WH. Better the devil you know, after all...

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

I'm really not sure how we got into a full fledged discussion on the DNC as if it's a parliament party or something. This is a nation of states, not legislative partitioning. The DNC and RNC work more like camps then they do teams.

Also, still reading on the allegation.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

Anyways, the topic has consistently been about how bad Trump is, not how good Biden and the Democrats are. If you want to keep redirecting people's frustrations with Trump, whether precise or not, to the DNC's dirty laundry, then I doubt you'll get great reception.

[Captain Crimson]

Anyways, the topic has consistently been about how bad Trump is, not how good Biden and the Democrats are. If you want to keep redirecting people's frustrations with Trump, whether precise or not, to the DNC's dirty laundry, then I doubt you'll get great reception.

Well, Fuzzy can stop obsessing on it nonstop once January comes, since he's gone, and then we'll have a whole new figurehead to blame for all that's going wrong in this country. And that will never change.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

Anyways, the topic has consistently been about how bad Trump is, not how good Biden and the Democrats are. If you want to keep redirecting people's frustrations with Trump, whether precise or not, to the DNC's dirty laundry, then I doubt you'll get great reception.

Well, Fuzzy can stop obsessing on it nonstop once January comes, since he's gone, and then we'll have a whole new figurehead to blame for all that's going wrong in this country. And that will never change.

I guess we can agree there that you got your work cut out for you -.-