Even if the coup fails, Democracy loses

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

https://medium.com/indica/i-lived-throu ... 7934b1dac3


I hope it's not as bleak as this, but, yeek. =X I'm inclined to give a lot of weight to somebody who lived through it.

[Captain Crimson]

Don't worry. Mr. 45 will be out in January and made Mr. Trump again.

The issue here isn't that he's trying to do this, it's that what happens next time when a more competent and restrained populist figure appears? Given that he runs his mouth off so much, nobody likes him. Not even his own voters.

My takeaway is that if Mr. 45 spoke like Mr. Obama, but kept his policies, then he'd win in a landslide, both in 2016 and 2020. That should be very sobering. But given his controversial standing, no one will be keen to let him stay.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

In the book "The Bottom Billion" by Paul Collier, he says that coups are among the 4 biggest aspects of exasperating welfare issues of the poorest countries.

[Makeshift Python]

Trump got popular PRECISELY because was not restrained like typical politicians are. His brazenness was part of his appeal. That's how he was able to bulldoze his Republican competitors back in the 2016 primaries because he made them sound like puppets with his strongman persona and lack of decorum. It's also why past Republican candidates like John McCain and Mitt Romney weren't winners, they weren't willing to cross certain lines like Trump did, especially among racists pieces of shits like the KKK and Proud Boys as he placated even more towards them in a way that was less subtle than the GOP typically did.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

Trump got popular PRECISELY because was not restrained like typical politicians are. His brazenness was part of his appeal. That's how he was able to bulldoze his Republican competitors back in the 2016 primaries because he made them sound like puppets with his strongman persona and lack of decorum. It's also why past Republican candidates like John McCain and Mitt Romney weren't winners, they weren't willing to cross certain lines like Trump did, especially among racists pieces of shits like the KKK and Proud Boys as he placated even more towards them in a way that was less subtle than the GOP typically did.

I think if you're dialing it back to McCain and Romney as if it's a flaw in their respective approaches to campaigning, I think it was a much more systemic and foundational friction that gets at the whole system.

This is more a case of the conservative establishment toppling on its own foundations by fostering an ideology of limited government while also regularly adopting the role as the biggest neoconservative force in modern history. It just stretched their constituency framework way too thin.

[Captain Crimson]

I think one thing that's dangerous to the future of the country post-Trump is acting like it will go back to normal. Mr. Biden built his whole campaign on that, and it's not that easy. It won't go back to normal, as the only thing to change will be that we have a smiling face to mess us over.

Take, for instance, how wrong the polls were. I think they'll be just as wrong in 2024, but the elitist media pollsters are too full of themselves to admit it. Anti-SJWs are staying silent since they consider them far more dangerous and violent, and the mass cases of violence during protests does not help their case, because even if you think the KKK is just as dangerous, they're biding their time until it is ripe for them to act and letting the left destroy itself in the process, to lose all credibility. Anti-SJWs generally remain far more silent. I know, I've met them.

That, and who can answer a 30-minute phone call today? Who still relies on traditional land lines? They need to make polling a more scientific approach, but then it's for political media, not meant to be accurate.

Just one example of the many, many, many issues staring America in the face once Mr. 45 is gone.

[phantom000]

What frightens me is not Trump, its these people who keep praising him despite everything he is doing. He's been acting both unconstitutional and undemocratic for four years now and even as he fails to prove is charges that the election was rigged people still want to support him. He refuses to acknowledge that he lost, refuses to cooperate with the transition and people say he is being a good president?

In effect he is trying to sabotage this nation and people want to shake his hand? It's like people really think he is the state and when he leaves office its all over. It's like people don't realize that there was a USA before Trump was even born and it will be here after he leaves office.

[Captain Crimson]

Mr. 45, soon to be Mr. Trump, couldn't have done anywhere near this damage if we hadn't already laid the door open for him when he first ran five years ago.

As Madner Kami is fond of saying, he's the symptom, not the cause.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

What frightens me is not Trump, its these people who keep praising him despite everything he is doing. He's been acting both unconstitutional and undemocratic for four years now and even as he fails to prove is charges that the election was rigged people still want to support him. He refuses to acknowledge that he lost, refuses to cooperate with the transition and people say he is being a good president?

In effect he is trying to sabotage this nation and people want to shake his hand? It's like people really think he is the state and when he leaves office its all over. It's like people don't realize that there was a USA before Trump was even born and it will be here after he leaves office.

Ed Norton says that he's just buying time for his own shading from his financial/illegal activities. There's politically no rational reason for him to be doing what he's doing in terms of appeasing his constituency.

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

What frightens me is not Trump, its these people who keep praising him despite everything he is doing. He's been acting both unconstitutional and undemocratic for four years now and even as he fails to prove is charges that the election was rigged people still want to support him. He refuses to acknowledge that he lost, refuses to cooperate with the transition and people say he is being a good president?

This. And I am terrified thinking about what those people will do next.