Even if the coup fails, Democracy loses

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

That, and who can answer a 30-minute phone call today? Who still relies on traditional land lines? They need to make polling a more scientific approach, but then it's for political media, not meant to be accurate.

Just one example of the many, many, many issues staring America in the face once Mr. 45 is gone.

tbf I'm not squared away on the deductivity of sample/population correlation. I usually feel like sample sizes are 10 times too small for the scope of their claims. But my learning of statistics is largely introductory classes.

[Captain Crimson]

That, and who can answer a 30-minute phone call today? Who still relies on traditional land lines? They need to make polling a more scientific approach, but then it's for political media, not meant to be accurate.

Just one example of the many, many, many issues staring America in the face once Mr. 45 is gone.

tbf I'm not squared away on the deductivity of sample/population correlation. I usually feel like sample sizes are 10 times too small for the scope of their claims. But my learning of statistics is largely introductory classes.

That as well, which is why it's done more for horse race ratings. Try saying that three times fast!

A sample size of 20,000 should be the new norm, IMO.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

That, and who can answer a 30-minute phone call today? Who still relies on traditional land lines? They need to make polling a more scientific approach, but then it's for political media, not meant to be accurate.

Just one example of the many, many, many issues staring America in the face once Mr. 45 is gone.

tbf I'm not squared away on the deductivity of sample/population correlation. I usually feel like sample sizes are 10 times too small for the scope of their claims. But my learning of statistics is largely introductory classes.

That as well, which is why it's done more for horse race ratings. Try saying that three times fast!

A sample size of 20,000 should be the new norm, IMO.

I'll see what I can do but I can't promise anything. Until then why wouldn't you just be more issue focused instead of political?

[Riedquat]

There does appear to be an ever increasing trend of "if you don't like the result of a vote then find excuses to say it doesn't count," but democracy doesn't lose here, at least from the point of view of an outsider who certainly doesn't know all the details. The system managing to keep such things sort of under check has reassured me.

[Riedquat]

Who still relies on traditional land lines?

Me, not that that's much help for information on a US election. Never found any reason to get a mobile.

[phantom000]

Well he seems to have thrown in the towel.

https://www.bostonherald.com/2020/11/23 ... -to-biden/

He 'seems' to have given up...

[Makeshift Python]

What frightens me is not Trump, its these people who keep praising him despite everything he is doing. He's been acting both unconstitutional and undemocratic for four years now and even as he fails to prove is charges that the election was rigged people still want to support him. He refuses to acknowledge that he lost, refuses to cooperate with the transition and people say he is being a good president?

In effect he is trying to sabotage this nation and people want to shake his hand? It's like people really think he is the state and when he leaves office its all over. It's like people don't realize that there was a USA before Trump was even born and it will be here after he leaves office.

It turns out a lot of those folks don't want a democracy, they want a strongman dictator who never apologizes and shows no humility. This is why he rails against the idea of examining some of our nation's failings because he thinks that equates to hating our country, when in fact all he really wants is a sugar coated account of our history. That's just a sign of his insecurity.

[Beastro]

It turns out a lot of those folks don't want a democracy, they want a strongman dictator who never apologizes and shows no humility.

A lot of those folks would say the exact same thing of you guys. Some I know leading up this were and now are despairing believing democracy is now dead in America. The other side won't allow another legitimate election, blah blah, etc. Those few have convinced themselves the Left is so pervasively powerful they can do whatever they want and are crushed by the implications. It's why I sadly shake my head at comments in this thread and elsewhere. The same bloody sentiment is being expressed.

They wanted someone who'd actually fight for their position rather than comfortably enjoy always being second place for the benefits they'd get at the expense of their constituencies. They were always increasingly frustrated and angry with how the Left could attack the Right over things bit not feel beholden to the same standard. Trumps personal life and infidelities are an example of that. Whereas once a Republican would be destroyed for something a Democrat could brush off in public opinion, now the Right could laugh that off. And it's not as if that sort of thing isn't important, it certainly is for most Americans regardless of their politics, it's just that this time it would be laughed off with a cry of "It's not going to work this time!".

You're country is increasingly becoming a two headed men with each head convincing itself more and more that one body should only have one head.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

What frightens me is not Trump, its these people who keep praising him despite everything he is doing. He's been acting both unconstitutional and undemocratic for four years now and even as he fails to prove is charges that the election was rigged people still want to support him. He refuses to acknowledge that he lost, refuses to cooperate with the transition and people say he is being a good president?

In effect he is trying to sabotage this nation and people want to shake his hand? It's like people really think he is the state and when he leaves office its all over. It's like people don't realize that there was a USA before Trump was even born and it will be here after he leaves office.

It turns out a lot of those folks don't want a democracy, they want a strongman dictator who never apologizes and shows no humility. This is why he rails against the idea of examining some of our nation's failings because he thinks that equates to hating our country, when in fact all he really wants is a sugar coated account of our history. That's just a sign of his insecurity.

They don't want a dictator, they just see the same guy that would tell their own boss to shut up and be fired.

[Beastro]

They don't want a dictator, they just see the same guy that would tell their own boss to shut up and be fired.

It also discounts the fact of how many, mostly the older ones, know Trumps history. Trump certainly didn't come out of the wilderness, he's been a known figure for quiet some time, and one of scorn by the Right more often that not.

Most knew he was a Democrat right up until he ran for the presidency, the issue was an element of pragmatism to finally balance principles and the appeal of finally having a fighter on their side again.

The simple fact is, if the Right got a decent person who had that fighting spirit again Trumps support would evaporate in and instant. He's was being used as much as he used others to launch himself into the next level of fame his ambition sought. And no, I don't mean he'd be replaced in the way the Leftists here would read that, like the mob bringing up another Hitler to rise in power, but as a sleazebag being replaced by someone who again finally aligns with the Right's morals and values without allowing their hands to be tied by their principled timidness.