Gina Carano fired

[Riedquat]

Well Bridge, the difference in that case is I'm some jackass on a scifi forum using a pseudonym whereas she is a blue-check-mark actor posting under her own name.

And that's different how?

I was asked a few pages earlier, what I as a German think about the happenings. I perfectly agree with her. She uses a hyperbole, a badly chosen one to be honest, but I get what she is going for and I find it the top of Mount Irony, that she catches the flak like that, because it perfectly proves her point: Modern politics are so badly broken, that there is no middle-ground anymore. You either agree and obey the new language- and thought-police or you are figuratively and, sometimes, literally declared to be the new Hitler and get shouted down, doxxed and harassed like crazy. It still obviously escapes certain people (on this forum as well), that the more you are a total arsehole to those who are within the middle-ground, the more you drive them away from you, eroding society further and further till nothing is left but extremes and, ironically, the right is far more accepting of deviation from their basic principles these days, than the extreme left is, so the overall trajectory seems very clear to me. The result won't be nice.

Well said. That trends' been accelerating rapidly in the last few years and it's getting extremely worrying. I sometimes wonder if not talking face to face is part of it; there's someone I work with who I disagree with strongly on a wide variety of subjects, but we go on about them in person. And one of the things we do agree on is this descent into extremely black and white simplicity.

There are people who deserve to be treated like total arseholes, but it's not anyone who doesn't have all the same views as yourself.

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

Well Bridge, the difference in that case is I'm some jackass on a scifi forum using a pseudonym whereas she is a blue-check-mark actor posting under her own name.

And that's different how?

Because that means I'm not harming my employer's brand or violating standards of professional conduct.

[Captain Crimson]

She's fully been slandered as a transphobe and we learn from her interview recently, an influential higher-up wanted her fired since she didn't put pronouns in her bios, and yet no one else at LF has been asked to.

Well Bridge, the difference in that case is I'm some jackass on a scifi forum using a pseudonym whereas she is a blue-check-mark actor posting under her own name.

And that's different how?

I was asked a few pages earlier, what I as a German think about the happenings. I perfectly agree with her. She uses a hyperbole, a badly chosen one to be honest, but I get what she is going for and I find it the top of Mount Irony, that she catches the flak like that, because it perfectly proves her point: Modern politics are so badly broken, that there is no middle-ground anymore. You either agree and obey the new language- and thought-police or you are figuratively and, sometimes, literally declared to be the new Hitler and get shouted down, doxxed and harassed like crazy. It still obviously escapes certain people (on this forum as well), that the more you are a total arsehole to those who are within the middle-ground, the more you drive them away from you, eroding society further and further till nothing is left but extremes and, ironically, the right is far more accepting of deviation from their basic principles these days, than the extreme left is, so the overall trajectory seems very clear to me. The result won't be nice.

Oh and I wouldn't compare it to the Weimarer Republic. The failures of the Weimarer Republic are manyfold and it isn't just a breakdown in communication between the left and the right. A large part in it's downfall is also a huge economic breakdown of a heavily militarized society and I am not talking militarized in the 2nd Ammendment way. I mean heavily militarized as in freshly out of a war involving millions of soldiers and people who grew up knowing nothing but war from their adult life. A lack of proper demobilization, caused both by the necessity of retaining military in order to keep the republic stable, mostly in the form of paramilitary formations (the Freikorps), as well as a strong military leadership facing a weak political leadership. And, of course, a society that is heavily focused on being lead by a single man, both by tradition and experience.

What strikes me as the top of hubris and hypocracy is, how people treat Gina Carano on Twitter and elsewhere. If the Left were able to take a step back and have a look at their own behaviour, then they might realize that they are the exact same dipshits as the dipshits on the right they keep on criticising. But as has been declared on this forum repeatedly, by Fuzzy and other nutjobs: You are either with them or against them. There is no middle ground and Centrists are worse than Hitler.

Yours was the opinion I was most interested in. TBH, all my German/Austrian friends or acquaintances on Discord share the view. I think it is since thanks to increasing polarization, outsiders, such as those from other countries, can perfectly look in on our flaws with judgment, but also to be fair about it, since... it's not your country, it's not your fight. And we get far more passionate about it. Plus all the new generation of thin-skinned tumblrites. It's not healthy for our national growth, and I think partly it's due to our mass social media addiction.

I've said before I think her comment was done in bad taste, but so what? You buckle down and deal with it! Remember this was a character who was rumored to be getting her own spin-off, and yet... she's too much of a free spirit, and so it's ironic for these SJW types who claim to love tough female characters, when they meet an actual strong woman with a history of actual fighting credits to her name, they crumble.

I can respect her being a free spirit, but at the end of the day, there is no universal code of conduct at Disney. Imagine if no one was allowed to post the stuff they do? I think Disney should ban their employees from all political talk, which makes sense, it's bad for business. But now look at her, those who lean even slightly left, the slander job is complete, they think she's a transphobe... and let's be clear, you can get into a fight with a trans person, and still not be transphobic. If the person's being an a-hole, yeah, absolutely! Mr. Chuck: "You can be a victim of systematic prejudice and still be a flaming a******."

Know what real transphobia is? Rep Fillmore who called them "farm animals." Ms. Carano has NEVER done that, yet she's satan to these woke lefties.

What I find even more hilarious is these SJWs would rather side with SJWs in your country than accept your words at face value. Your national siblings have been through the horrific nightmare of totalitarian nightmares, first with Hitler, then Stalin, so I'd assume your advice would be greatly appreciated. Naw. Only confirmation bias and social vaporware matter to SJWs.

[Madner Kami]

Yours was the opinion I was most interested in. TBH, all my German/Austrian friends or acquaintances on Discord share the view. I think it is since thanks to increasing polarization, outsiders, such as those from other countries, can perfectly look in on our flaws with judgment, but also to be fair about it, since... it's not your country, it's not your fight. And we get far more passionate about it. Plus all the new generation of thin-skinned tumblrites. It's not healthy for our national growth, and I think partly it's due to our mass social media addiction.

The sad matter of fact is, that what is happening in the USA, has a habit of spilling over to Europe, due to our cultural and economic ties. It is and was often joked about how Canada is in many ways like the US, except about 20 years behind. The same is true for Europe, though modern media has increasingly sped up the process of cultural alignment in the last 20 years, in all the good but also all the bad ways.

Well Bridge, the difference in that case is I'm some jackass on a scifi forum using a pseudonym whereas she is a blue-check-mark actor posting under her own name.

And that's different how?

Because that means I'm not harming my employer's brand or violating standards of professional conduct.

You haven't paid much attention even on this forum, have you? A pseudonym is only worth as much, as someone is willing to put effort into investigating the background of the pseudonym these days, unless you are willing to jump through a lot of hoops and put in much effort to hide your real persona.
Remember how Yukaphile once asked me, what I can figure out about him? I'm a random dude who knows how to use Google and tie together random bits of information. like everyone who has a good school education and it took me like five minutes to find multiple pseudonyms, his birthday and his (by me unreleased) real-name, based solely on the information he dropped in this forum and I don't even do that professionally or had an axe to grind with him as my hobby...
Have you paid no attention to how many people get doxxed on a regular basis on Twitter and other hategroup-forums? Haven't you seen how the New York Times just a few days ago, willingly, knowingly and intentionally doxxed the owner of the Slate Star Codex, who explicitly demanded to stay in cognito for the interview he gave them? And this isn't even the first time stuff like this happens, either due to malicious intent, incompetence or carelessness.

And even besides that, the woman has an opinion, just like you do. Is she somehow worth less, just because she works for Disney? Is the corporate culture so deeply ingrained even in you, that you can't imagine that someone has the right to express themselves without having their life ruined, solely based on the fact that she holds opinions that disagree with you or her boss? I regularly argue with my boss about a variety of subjects, both private and professional and I've been working at that place for almost 16 years by this point in time. Not once did my boss consider firing me, just because we had a difference of opinion and we're diametrically opposed on the political spectrum in quite many ways and you know why? Because my opinion holds no bearing on our professional relationship or the results of my work. You know why Carano gets fired for stating her opinion? Not because Disney disagrees, they couldn't care less, but because random arseholes on the internet can't help themselves, but be complete retards, call for her head and produce a character-assassination because of a difference in opinion...

[Draco Dracul]

Well Bridge, the difference in that case is I'm some jackass on a scifi forum using a pseudonym whereas she is a blue-check-mark actor posting under her own name.

And that's different how?

I was asked a few pages earlier, what I as a German think about the happenings. I perfectly agree with her. She uses a hyperbole, a badly chosen one to be honest, but I get what she is going for and I find it the top of Mount Irony, that she catches the flak like that, because it perfectly proves her point: Modern politics are so badly broken, that there is no middle-ground anymore. You either agree and obey the new language- and thought-police or you are figuratively and, sometimes, literally declared to be the new Hitler and get shouted down, doxxed and harassed like crazy. It still obviously escapes certain people (on this forum as well), that the more you are a total arsehole to those who are within the middle-ground, the more you drive them away from you, eroding society further and further till nothing is left but extremes and, ironically, the right is far more accepting of deviation from their basic principles these days, than the extreme left is, so the overall trajectory seems very clear to me. The result won't be nice.

Well said. That trends' been accelerating rapidly in the last few years and it's getting extremely worrying. I sometimes wonder if not talking face to face is part of it; there's someone I work with who I disagree with strongly on a wide variety of subjects, but we go on about them in person. And one of the things we do agree on is this descent into extremely black and white simplicity.

There are people who deserve to be treated like total arseholes, but it's not anyone who doesn't have all the same views as yourself.

I think the fact that the right has gone absolutely insane over the last decade is a far stronger reason for the erasure of middle ground. As a minority it's hard to find middle ground with a side that is openly breaking bread with Nazis and the Klan.

I also find the comparison of comparing the left to Nazis for wanting gender recognition to be more common to be especially distasteful because the destruction of decades of gender research was one of the first things the Nazis did when they got into power.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

I liked how the CW did it with Crisis on Infinite Earths. As an overall allegory for social media politics.

[Thebestoftherest]

I liked how the CW did it with Crisis on Infinite Earths. As an overall allegory for social media politics.

Wait what?

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

Bridge are you being sarcastic again?

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

The reason sensibility is a much more volatile political condition is because the norms have started to shift to more progressive standards due to social media having innate influence on media and commercialism. It's created a web of accountability in place of what used to be different social interest groups with non-transparent customs and for the most part further away from public light and understanding. Not necessarily wrong, just not universal, and yeah sometimes bad.

It leaves everybody's worlds facing each other much more intimately, which lead to the growing divide of secular conservatives and equality of outcome advocates for respective reasons of crude democratic positioning.

[Draco Dracul]

It leaves everybody's worlds facing each other much more intimately, which lead to the growing divide of secular conservatives and equality of outcome advocates for respective reasons of crude democratic positioning.

I literally don't know what groups you're talking about because secular conservatives are basically nonexistent in the US die to how heavily American Conseratism is tied to white evangelical churches. Also is "equality of outcome advocates" supposed to be code for communists? Because most communists these days will just tell you that they are communists and most progressive liberals are pushing for reducing the opportunity gap, but actually closing it isn't actually possible under capitalism as the children of the rich can always just buy more opportunities and the children of the poor may never get them at all.