VOY - Displaced

[Thebestoftherest]

Yes but maybe we can put more thought into female character design than what a caveman think.

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

Then there is Voyager. Its liberal as it has a female captain back when that was actually something rare, and yet it also has Seven of Nine who wore one of the most infamously and shamelessly sexist outfits in the history of television. And I will only deem that to be an unfair description when you find me a man wearing that outfit complete with padded crotch.

Also, I never understood the problem people had with Seven of Nine. Was she dressed like that for sex-appeal? Yes. But the character was, from the get-go, far more than just her sex-appeal. Focusing on that aspect alone, strikes me as a wierdly underhanded sex-negative view of women. A female character isn't good or bad, just because the character is sexy. It's the exact same as people dismissing women just because they wear skimpy outfits or makeup. The value of a person isn't decided by their styling-choices...

Linkara provided a pretty good response to this all to common defense of how women are depicted in media (specifically his complaints are aimed are drawing comics but it applies to other media too). It's about midway through this review of Marvel's Comic Book Swimsuit Issues. http://atopthefourthwall.com/comic-book ... it-issues/

In short, wearing reveling outfits is not the problem. The problem is that more often when women are dressed that way to be ogled. When men are given similar outfits, it's usual played for laughs or mean to suggest virility.

Sexiness is always a sign of virility or in women fertility. Men aren't attracted to feminine curves because they like fat when positioned in a certain way, they like it because our brains are hardwired to seek out females with characteristics associated with fertility. All sex-appeal for both genders is based on our instinctual understanding of what will lead to the strongest/smartest offspring.

Gonna call that out as bullshit. I can contradict that with my personal psycho-sexual experience. Attractiveness, virility-signaling and sexual standards are hugely culturally influenced. The sexualization of breasts, for example, are a relatively recent western culture creation.

[clearspira]

Then there is Voyager. Its liberal as it has a female captain back when that was actually something rare, and yet it also has Seven of Nine who wore one of the most infamously and shamelessly sexist outfits in the history of television. And I will only deem that to be an unfair description when you find me a man wearing that outfit complete with padded crotch.

Also, I never understood the problem people had with Seven of Nine. Was she dressed like that for sex-appeal? Yes. But the character was, from the get-go, far more than just her sex-appeal. Focusing on that aspect alone, strikes me as a wierdly underhanded sex-negative view of women. A female character isn't good or bad, just because the character is sexy. It's the exact same as people dismissing women just because they wear skimpy outfits or makeup. The value of a person isn't decided by their styling-choices...

Linkara provided a pretty good response to this all to common defense of how women are depicted in media (specifically his complaints are aimed are drawing comics but it applies to other media too). It's about midway through this review of Marvel's Comic Book Swimsuit Issues. http://atopthefourthwall.com/comic-book ... it-issues/

In short, wearing reveling outfits is not the problem. The problem is that more often when women are dressed that way to be ogled. When men are given similar outfits, it's usual played for laughs or mean to suggest virility.

Sexiness is always a sign of virility or in women fertility. Men aren't attracted to feminine curves because they like fat when positioned in a certain way, they like it because our brains are hardwired to seek out females with characteristics associated with fertility. All sex-appeal for both genders is based on our instinctual understanding of what will lead to the strongest/smartest offspring.

Gonna call that out as bullshit. I can contradict that with my personal psycho-sexual experience. Attractiveness, virility-signaling and sexual standards are hugely culturally influenced. The sexualization of breasts, for example, are a relatively recent western culture creation.

The sociological history of breasts is fascinating. Prior to 1945, the custom in Japan was for small breasts. Genetics played a part, but still, they were perfectly happy with them small. Nowadays... well...have you ever seen an anime?

Then of course there were the likes of the ancient Greeks who played mixed sport naked (not just men as is widely believed). If breasts are naturally magnets to men, then surely every game would have broken out into an orgy yes?

[drewder]

Then there is Voyager. Its liberal as it has a female captain back when that was actually something rare, and yet it also has Seven of Nine who wore one of the most infamously and shamelessly sexist outfits in the history of television. And I will only deem that to be an unfair description when you find me a man wearing that outfit complete with padded crotch.

Also, I never understood the problem people had with Seven of Nine. Was she dressed like that for sex-appeal? Yes. But the character was, from the get-go, far more than just her sex-appeal. Focusing on that aspect alone, strikes me as a wierdly underhanded sex-negative view of women. A female character isn't good or bad, just because the character is sexy. It's the exact same as people dismissing women just because they wear skimpy outfits or makeup. The value of a person isn't decided by their styling-choices...

Linkara provided a pretty good response to this all to common defense of how women are depicted in media (specifically his complaints are aimed are drawing comics but it applies to other media too). It's about midway through this review of Marvel's Comic Book Swimsuit Issues. http://atopthefourthwall.com/comic-book ... it-issues/

In short, wearing reveling outfits is not the problem. The problem is that more often when women are dressed that way to be ogled. When men are given similar outfits, it's usual played for laughs or mean to suggest virility.

Sexiness is always a sign of virility or in women fertility. Men aren't attracted to feminine curves because they like fat when positioned in a certain way, they like it because our brains are hardwired to seek out females with characteristics associated with fertility. All sex-appeal for both genders is based on our instinctual understanding of what will lead to the strongest/smartest offspring.

Gonna call that out as bullshit. I can contradict that with my personal psycho-sexual experience. Attractiveness, virility-signaling and sexual standards are hugely culturally influenced. The sexualization of breasts, for example, are a relatively recent western culture creation.

https://www.medicaldaily.com/science-re ... gen-407599

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

Showing a correlation between breast preference and estrogen/fertility levels is not the same as proving an evolutionary link or that sexiness is always a sign of virility. Human psychosexual design is way, way messier than that.