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[Makeshift Python]

Hey Makeshift Python do you think that the writing to GB16 fail it as well.

For sure.

[Captain Crimson]

YOu do know that Kylo Ren was a bad guy and a mouth piece in the last jedi right? PS who cares about comics?

You seem to have missed my point. Let me try again. I work in retail and a lot of times, the ancillary material for DSWC doesn't really sell that well despite the massive Disney marketing machine backing it up. A lot of times, they end up being sold at a discount because that's the only way we can get rid of it. There are exceptions to this, for sure, but the strongest sales I ever saw was for 2015, back with the TFA hype, and yet look at something like, say, Marvel 108. It actually wasn't anything grandiose, it didn't have a lot of marketing put into it. It emerged with little fanfare compared to a few other DSW comic lines.

And yet it was practically sold out at comic stores. That relied on word-of-mouth, and it sold so well Marvel actually collected the Crimson Forever stories into an omnibus that also sold very well. Think of all that Marvel 108 had working against it. For one - superhero comics dominate the comics genre here in the USA. When you're looking only at purely SW comics, then 108 only had a few handful sell better than it, such as Galaxy's Edge, which I'd observed before, at 60,000 units shipped, just tanked the next month, dropping to 20,000 units shipped. Star Wars #66 and Boba Fett: Age of Rebellion also sold higher than 108, but only by about a thousand units shipped, and both Galaxy's Edge and those lines of Star Wars comic were retailed at $3.99. The next month, Boba Fett: Age of Rebellion just plummeted to two thousand units shipped. See a pattern here? Every DSWC comic sells at $3.99.

Meanwhile, Marvel 108 sold at $5.99, at double the usual length of pages (40, when DSWC comics usually cap off at around 20 or 30), and it still was off the shelves, because a lot of our older clients remember SWL and have a lot of fondness for it, there is an untapped market out there willing to see the continuation of the old continuity for the ancillary material in its own right as a parallel universe. I mean, look at how this is an older comic line with the words "STAR WARS" blazed on it, and if you are reaching for mass-marketed casual audience, then preferably, you'd want them to begin with a newer, fancier comic line at the #1 issue. Not one that petered off in 1986. My boss raised some doubts about it. Yet Marvel 108 sold better than most of the other DSWC issue #1s. And as I said, with very little ad marketing, you'd assume many DSW issues would sell better, and yet 108 outperformed many of them, and of those that did, two of them just faded away into oblivion the next month. We're not idiots, we know what parallel timelines are, and alternate continuities. The point I am making is just how out of touch those corporate heads are to what the average consumer wants. That's how they can call those who don't like what they're selling "istaphobes." There's a hot market demand toward SWL in the form they had always taken, that is not being met.

Think about it this way. Marvel 108 sold better than a whole new Vader comic line, the Dark Visions series, by seven thousand units or so. That Vader comic actually kept consistent through into the next month. Oh, another factor is Marvel 108 came out very late, the last Wednesday of the month, while all the other DSWC comics came out far earlier, either since mid-May or the start of the month. There was certainly time for Marvel to ship more comics to stores, yet that didn't wind up being so.

40,000 units sold may not seem like much, but the older Marvel Comics themselves are actually kinda silly. If instead of Marvel 108, imagine if this had been a proper continuation of the C Canon, such as a planned-but-cancelled Sword of the Jedi comic line exploring Jaina Solo's exploits for the post-FOTJ galaxy? TOR is one of the few SWL stories still being updated, but for every new expansion, they don't allow novels or comics to enhance the updates. The old EU did it all the time. Not even a simple short story. A lot of the short stories were as equal good as the novels, especially for the Old Republic era, and yet that's just not within what they want for their management policies. That wouldn't be an issue back in the administration of Mr. Lucas, because the content managers for the old EU were far, far more fan-interactive. And yet that's been lost and purged along with so much else.

I really don't understand this canon obsession they have, there has to be far more to this. Because in spite of what they say, when pressed about potential sequels, Mr. Lucas referred people to the EU and said he had no interest in continuing even right after he'd sold it. The original creator's words should be good enough for any canon purists.

[Thebestoftherest]

I mean yes there are actors who could improbe an entire movie I don't think the oke they got could. Plus is it racist that of the four main characters the only one without a doctor degree is the blacl lady?

[Makeshift Python]

Yeah that's pretty questionable as well.

Funnily, when the Eddie Murphy role was originally in early drafts of the original film, he would have been there from the start and had a doctorate degree. But since he turned it down and they recast him with Ernie Hudson, they rewrote his character to be the everyman was just looking for a job.

[Thebestoftherest]

I mean making a mistake is human making it again is questionable. I also think having dialogue mentioning it is dubious.

[Makeshift Python]

I love Kristen Wiig and Melissa McCarthy, so just the fact that they ended up being unfunny and not having much chemistry with the cast really hurt the film in a way no script could have possibly recovered.

[Thebestoftherest]

yeah, plus McCarthy insulting the fan base after the bad trailer might not have help.

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

Insults to the fan base are irrelevant. What she said about the fans outside the confines of the movie does not in any way make the film better or worse.

Personally I'm in the extreme minority in that I really liked the movie. I was won over as soon as I heard the words "anti-Irish security fence".

[Al-1701]

Personally, I found "THE POWER PAIN COMPELS YOU!" hilarious and wished they didn't spoil it in the trailer.

I think the problem they had is they were never going to live up to the original. The original was lightning caught in a bottle. So much of it was ad libbed that would never fly in a modern movie. And the chemistry of the ensemble was spot on which you'd be hard pressed to matched.

The 2016 AU movie (which is what it is) was okay, but it was going to compared to an instant classic. And maybe that's unfair, but they decided to try to fill its shoes.

[Thebestoftherest]

Personally, I found "THE POWER PAIN COMPELS YOU!" hilarious and wished they didn't spoil it in the trailer.

I think the problem they had is they were never going to live up to the original. The original was lightning caught in a bottle. So much of it was ad libbed that would never fly in a modern movie. And the chemistry of the ensemble was spot on which you'd be hard pressed to matched.

The 2016 AU movie (which is what it is) was okay, but it was going to compared to an instant classic. And maybe that's unfair, but they decided to try to fill its shoes.

To play devil adocates are there bits that seems to happen just so it could ape the original though.