Gina Carano fired

[Captain Crimson]

A lot of users on this messageboard need to really understand what a lot of the push-back against LF is RN, like how the official SW YouTube channel is getting ratioed, same with the Oscars vid that featured Ms. Kennedy. To label it "right-wing backlash" is a false misnomer, I've talked to many of them, and a lot of them don't even identify as right wing, even if they use the hashtag #FandomMenace.

It's just built up to the point where it's too much now, a cumulative effect. Why hasn't SWL been allowed to continue since 2019 despite how many ideas you steal from it? Why haven't you paid Mr. Foster his royalty checks? Why do you preach to BLM, yet shrink Finn in TFA's poster and don't wish Mr. Jones a happy birthday? Why do you preach feminist values, yet it's not like Ms. Kennedy has broken any noteworthy glass ceilings at LF that hadn't existed there previously. Tack on the fact Ms. Carano has been fired for speaking her mind, and that Ms. Dawson is next up on the chopping block, people are fed up and tired of it all. "Right wing push-back" is just a way to shift the narrative while the small Twitter minority chivvy into position to get Ms. Dawson cancelled, too. Remember that as they were spamming #FireGinaCarano, they also spammed #FireRosarioDawson, slandering her as a transphobe as well. With Ms. Carano gone, they can refocus their efforts on Ms. Dawson.

Is it nerd outrage? Sure. Yes. And that can be healthy, a way to feel like something is being done so that you stop feeling helpless at the butchery taking place to something you love, but there are also times you need to step back and to rest and relax a bit. At what point, I ask many of them, do they stop following the DSWC and check out SWL? Because all the problems present in DSWC aren't in SWL, at least those they take the biggest issues with, and while they're not fans of DSWC, they are still followers of it, and that nets it support in the end anyway. You know the old saying. "There is no such thing as bad PR."

This is yet another reason fandom isn't going mainstream if a company has earned this much ire and they consistently misrepresent the backlash based on internal strawmans (because a small element to the sea of outrage is being co-opted by right-wingers, but nowhere near to the extent the MSM or LF want you to think). Yes, they can keep sustaining themselves off the lefties. But it's still entirely representative of hyperpolarization when half the audience doesn't like it and doesn't support it. Fandom was never meant to go mainstream, and you can see evidence to this everywhere. It's the cultural appropriation of fandom for profit.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

Just remember this is a CONSERVATIVE country. And it's why despite a lot of his common-sense preachings, someone like Mr. Sanders doesn't get very far, past making it easy to paint most dems as socialists-in-training.

Paint me a picture of this conservative country please.

Just remember this is a CONSERVATIVE country. And it's why despite a lot of his common-sense preachings, someone like Mr. Sanders doesn't get very far, past making it easy to paint most dems as socialists-in-training.

Paint me a picture of this conservative country please.

The USA. You can tell because a lot of conservatives would be the old-school progressives of yesteryear. It's where the whole "socially liberal, fiscally conservative" and "classically liberal" phrases come from.

Fair enough lol but still though what are we talking about?

[Makeshift Python]

Pearl clutching doesn't help the left, I don't see how it's going to help for you Crimson.

[Thebestoftherest]

Hey Python what did he say?

[Captain Crimson]

Just remember this is a CONSERVATIVE country. And it's why despite a lot of his common-sense preachings, someone like Mr. Sanders doesn't get very far, past making it easy to paint most dems as socialists-in-training.

Paint me a picture of this conservative country please.

Just remember this is a CONSERVATIVE country. And it's why despite a lot of his common-sense preachings, someone like Mr. Sanders doesn't get very far, past making it easy to paint most dems as socialists-in-training.

Paint me a picture of this conservative country please.

The USA. You can tell because a lot of conservatives would be the old-school progressives of yesteryear. It's where the whole "socially liberal, fiscally conservative" and "classically liberal" phrases come from.

Fair enough lol but still though what are we talking about?

My overarching thesis statement, that I admit I strayed far from, is that in the end, Ms. Carano isn't a monster, she just made a flawed analogy, and yet to many leftists, they treat her as a monster. At least that's the language I infer. There is literally nothing anti-Semitic about her post, it's just thoughtless or reckless, at worst. Anti-Semitism would require actual malicious feelings toward Jewish people, which no one can provide proof she has.

She's also been slandered as a transphobe, which you can't find any evidence for. If they can do it to her, you can bet Ms. Dawson is next. Again, the whole #FireRosarioDawson hashtag. They will find some excuse, and I'm hard-pressed to say Disney and LF will brush it aside. And leftists here have said she shouldn't have antagonized the fans, if you can call the Twitter mobs "fans," but then, what about Mr. Pascal's tweet from November? Again, the whole "LOSERS 1865, LOSERS 1945, LOSERS 2020." That's also antagonizing fans, which is like seventy million people, and that includes POC and women too. If actual Germans think Mr. Pascal's tweet is a flawed analogy (Madner Kami isn't an outlier, I have many other German acquaintances in my discord servers), you know you dun something wrong. And I think both are flawed analogies. Yet one was fired while the other was not.

I haven't treated her as an innocent martyr or a complete monster. Nor am I calling for Mr. Pascal to be fired. I'd LIKE LF to have a rule of conduct for Twitter, such as, perhaps, "no political tweets." And that's a smart idea, it's good for business, since republicans do buy sneakers. But we don't have that ATM, it really does seem to be played by ear.

[Thebestoftherest]

You make a good point, although I think that we need to search the middle more for answers.

[Captain Crimson]

A better analogy may be that it is a tragedy many Germans supported Hitler. And even if you think Mr. Trump is the modern-day American Hitler, okay then - the real tragedy is why so many people would support him. If we can't have understanding as to the causes, past inserting our own internal strawmans (name-calling people as whatever "istaphobes" fit the blue checkmarks), then we're on an even darker path than the initial glimpse shows.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

My overarching thesis statement, that I admit I strayed far from, is that in the end, Ms. Carano isn't a monster, she just made a flawed analogy, and yet to many leftists, they treat her as a monster. At least that's the language I infer. There is literally nothing anti-Semitic about her post, it's just thoughtless or reckless, at worst. Anti-Semitism would require actual malicious feelings toward Jewish people, which no one can provide proof she has.

She said she got harassed online about the pronouns first, and then said there was a toxic work culture at Lucasfilm. That's not "many leftists" really.

She's also been slandered as a transphobe, which you can't find any evidence for. If they can do it to her, you can bet Ms. Dawson is next. Again, the whole #FireRosarioDawson hashtag. They will find some excuse, and I'm hard-pressed to say Disney and LF will brush it aside. And leftists here have said she shouldn't have antagonized the fans, if you can call the Twitter mobs "fans," but then, what about Mr. Pascal's tweet from November? Again, the whole "LOSERS 1865, LOSERS 1945, LOSERS 2020." That's also antagonizing fans, which is like seventy million people, and that includes POC and women too. If actual Germans think Mr. Pascal's tweet is a flawed analogy (Madner Kami isn't an outlier, I have many other German acquaintances in my discord servers), you know you dun something wrong. And I think both are flawed analogies. Yet one was fired while the other was not.

He showed a picture of what he thought were ICE detention camps. Those detention camps actually are reminiscent of state persecution of political prisoners, so I'd like you to clarify how what he did is similar to what she did.

Also I don't see what Rosario Dawson has to do with this. Nobody has talked about her since November. I don't get why your speculation of her is supposed to weigh on what's happening to Carano.

[Captain Crimson]

She said she got harassed online about the pronouns first, and then said there was a toxic work culture at Lucasfilm. That's not "many leftists" really.

Indeed. It's online keyboard warriors who get off thinking they can get these giant uber companies to capitulate to them. I agree with the notion that to go online, you have to have some degree of thick skin, or you're going to flounder. But at the same time, there is definitely a double standard there. Mr. Pascal has made many Nazi/Holocaust comparisons, and while they get removed, he's still allowed to work there. Ms. Carano posts it, and she's let go. I'm not saying they weren't within their rights, but I'd generally prefer more of a general social media management policy. How is it they don't have one? LF is very incompetently managed at this point, it's no wonder those silly "civil war" rumors spread.

He showed a picture of what he thought were ICE detention camps. Those detention camps actually are reminiscent of state persecution of political prisoners, so I'd like you to clarify how what he did is similar to what she did.

Also I don't see what Rosario Dawson has to do with this. Nobody has talked about her since November. I don't get why your speculation of her is supposed to weigh on what's happening to Carano.

Yeah, and I could buy it was for the USA or where online sources cited it as, Palestine. It's all BS either way and who wants it? Only the gore hounds and psychopaths, and they don't represent most people.

Because that Inverse article from one who was pushing the #FireGinaCarano hashtag hard, from the online LGBT Twitter community, no less, wants Ms. Dawson fired as well. Just you wait. Now Ms. Carano is gone, we're probably going to see a renewal of the #FireRosarioDawson hashtag as they make demands of her, and no matter how hard she bows down, it won't ever be enough.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

That doesn't answer anything. The ICE detention camps are actually horrible. That's why nobody cared about Pascal's protest. There's nothing egregious about that compared to what she did.

And about Rosario Dawson, I've said this to Dragon Ball Fan also, but you really have to take some protests with a grain of salt. Surely not use it in your weak indictment of the left.