Twitch decides to call women, ''womxn''.

[Deledrius]

Yeah I have no idea how to pronounce womxn. And even I have heard womyn pronounced like woman or womin.

It's similar to why my preferred term for Latina or Latino is Latine rather than Latinx as Latinx has no obvious pronunciation in Spanish as X makes a hard H sound in Spanish.

I feel like any time people try to use the letter X in the middle of a word for its symbolic/iconographic value (either as an unknown, a "cross", or an inclusive "all"), it displays a fundamental and catastrophic misunderstanding of how English works and how its words are used in common speech.

It might work in an academic setting (essays and papers) or activist manifestos (now with 100% more twitter virality!) but if you can't say it, it contains a deep flaw that will prevent widespread adoption.

[Draco Dracul]

Yeah I have no idea how to pronounce womxn. And even I have heard womyn pronounced like woman or womin.

It's similar to why my preferred term for Latina or Latino is Latine rather than Latinx as Latinx has no obvious pronunciation in Spanish as X makes a hard H sound in Spanish.

I feel like any time people try to use the letter X in the middle of a word for its symbolic/iconographic value (either as an unknown, a "cross", or an inclusive "all"), it displays a fundamental and catastrophic misunderstanding of how English works and how its words are used in common speech.

It might work in an academic setting (essays and papers) or activist manifestos (now with 100% more twitter virality!) but if you can't say it, it contains a deep flaw that will prevent widespread adoption.

Latinx is interesting because in English it actually has an if not obvious at least reasonable pronunciation of Latinix, but it makes one in what is the second or even first language if it's speakers.

[Thebestoftherest]

Yeah I have no idea how to pronounce womxn. And even I have heard womyn pronounced like woman or womin.

It's similar to why my preferred term for Latina or Latino is Latine rather than Latinx as Latinx has no obvious pronunciation in Spanish as X makes a hard H sound in Spanish.

I feel like any time people try to use the letter X in the middle of a word for its symbolic/iconographic value (either as an unknown, a "cross", or an inclusive "all"), it displays a fundamental and catastrophic misunderstanding of how English works and how its words are used in common speech.

It might work in an academic setting (essays and papers) or activist manifestos (now with 100% more twitter virality!) but if you can't say it, it contains a deep flaw that will prevent widespread adoption.

But if we put the letter X in it, it can be X-treme.

[McAvoy]

Lol at using a y to depart from the patriarchy.

I guess it makes sense how this whole thing played out.

Lmao! Never thought about that.

I also didn't really know about the Terf aspect of womyn either. I just thought it was just a weird way of hardcore feminists not liking the word male in female honestly

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

This is too weird for me to understand.

Good.

[CmdrKing]

I also didn't really know about the Terf aspect of womyn either. I just thought it was just a weird way of hardcore feminists not liking the word male in female honestly

Essentially what happened, because second wave, there was a general dissection of the terms "female" and "woman" and an unhappiness with the idea that women were, linguistically, subordinated to/variations of men. But over the course of a few years the academic discussion of the matter was put into practice, and those who did so were almost entirely separatist types who believed gender equality was only achievable by living outside patriarchal systems and away from men... which were the original TERFs.

And then of course some late-comer catholic 'feminists' got tangled up in it and wrote The Transsexual Empire and that's the founding text of the modern TERF.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

There were TIRFs though too, just to be clear.

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Not all radical feminists are bad.

[Draco Dracul]

There were TIRFs though too, just to be clear.

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Not all feminists are bad.

That's not really a term as Radical Feminism is a term self applied almost exclusively by second wave feminists and even then usually only by overtly transphobic ones.

[ProfessorDetective]

Yeah I have no idea how to pronounce womxn. And even I have heard womyn pronounced like woman or womin.

It's similar to why my preferred term for Latina or Latino is Latine rather than Latinx as Latinx has no obvious pronunciation in Spanish as X makes a hard H sound in Spanish.

I feel like any time people try to use the letter X in the middle of a word for its symbolic/iconographic value (either as an unknown, a "cross", or an inclusive "all"), it displays a fundamental and catastrophic misunderstanding of how English works and how its words are used in common speech.

It might work in an academic setting (essays and papers) or activist manifestos (now with 100% more twitter virality!) but if you can't say it, it contains a deep flaw that will prevent widespread adoption.

Latinx is interesting because in English it actually has an if not obvious at least reasonable pronunciation of Latinix, but it makes one in what is the second or even first language if it's speakers.

Yeah, apparently, the 'x' in most South American languages doesn't work like the English 'x', pronunciation-wise, so the term is just hard to make work by the exact people it's meant to describe. The term came from white, Stateside, academia, of course.

From my research, the proper, neutral term in 'Latin' (pronounced La-teen). Latino (fellows), Latina (ladies), Latin (both/neither).

[McAvoy]

I also didn't really know about the Terf aspect of womyn either. I just thought it was just a weird way of hardcore feminists not liking the word male in female honestly

Essentially what happened, because second wave, there was a general dissection of the terms "female" and "woman" and an unhappiness with the idea that women were, linguistically, subordinated to/variations of men. But over the course of a few years the academic discussion of the matter was put into practice, and those who did so were almost entirely separatist types who believed gender equality was only achievable by living outside patriarchal systems and away from men... which were the original TERFs.

And then of course some late-comer catholic 'feminists' got tangled up in it and wrote The Transsexual Empire and that's the founding text of the modern TERF.

Interesting. For me Terf I only became aware of them when one of the my neighbors that at the time hanged out with me heavily identified as a feminist. OK. Whatever. I hear that term and then I tread lightly until I figure out what type they are.

Turns out she has a burning hatred of the trans community. In her own words 'it tears down everything what feminism is about'. In her view, if you can have a woman turn into a man that reinforces the patriarchy. Her ideas were basically what you would expect from a conservative. Males are males and females are females. That's it.

But then again the same woman also said that women are incapable of physical assault on men because men can get out of it easily enough. Literally that is what she said.

I do wonder about the mindset of terfs though.