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Madner Kami wrote: ↑Wed Feb 06, 2019 4:33 am
Yup, that one happened in 2016. A typical example of measuring with two different sticks. It's not racism, because a whiet man is not a minority. Also, she's female, so she gets a lower sentence by default.
That crudely describes the concept of reverse racism. Not the precise reasoning but the factors at play.
It's not about the assault itself but how the person was tried.
Madner Kami wrote: ↑Wed Feb 06, 2019 4:33 am
Also, she's female, so she gets a lower sentence by default.
Do you have a peer-reviewed statistically significant study to back up that assertion?
He should have said "statistically," and all you'd have to do is look up the stats posted up by the governments of both the UK and the US. In both those countries, women are less likely to be convicted, and if they are convicted they tend to receive lighter sentences than men convicted of the same crime.
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This paper assesses gender disparities in federal criminal cases. It finds large gender gaps favoring women throughout the sentence length distribution (averaging over 60%), conditional on arrest offense, criminal history, and other pre-charge observables. Female arrestees are also significantly likelier to avoid charges and convictions entirely, and twice as likely to avoid incarceration if convicted. Prior studies have reported much smaller sentence gaps because they have ignored the role of charging, plea-bargaining, and sentencing fact-finding in producing sentences. Most studies control for endogenous severity measures that result from these earlier discretionary processes and use samples that have been winnowed by them. I avoid these problems by using a linked dataset tracing cases from arrest through sentencing. Using decomposition methods, I show that most sentence disparity arises from decisions at the earlier stages, and use the rich data to investigate causal theories for these gender gaps.
q.e.d.
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Yeah, men get longer sentences, women get humiliated and strung out for years and years with no justice and shamed for being anything less than the perfect victim whenever they're in the plaintiff's seat.
Madner Kami wrote: ↑Wed Feb 06, 2019 3:03 am
Reverse Racism is a stupid word and what it implies is, that someone is behaving in a racist manner and get racist reactions in return. Can we please just call the duck a duck? it's racism, plain and simple.
Agreed. and this is a good example of why I wish there was a like button.
Madner Kami wrote: ↑Wed Feb 06, 2019 3:03 am
Reverse Racism is a stupid word and what it implies is, that someone is behaving in a racist manner and get racist reactions in return. Can we please just call the duck a duck? it's racism, plain and simple.
The trouble is the neologistic definition that is gaining use in activist conversations (which, thanks to the internet, are not limited to people who share that definition), which adds on an element of power disparity to the broader definition of simple racial bigotry. For some, they are using the word racism in a way that must inherently involve institutional oppression. That's how you get conversations with phrases like "white people can't be racist", because from that point of view (in the relevant cultures) it's trivially true.
I can understand why that definition is useful and how it comes to be relevant, but overloading the word leads to a lot of misunderstanding and confusion and things that sound really silly in the former context like "reverse racism".
This paper assesses gender disparities in federal criminal cases. It finds large gender gaps favoring women throughout the sentence length distribution (averaging over 60%), conditional on arrest offense, criminal history, and other pre-charge observables. Female arrestees are also significantly likelier to avoid charges and convictions entirely, and twice as likely to avoid incarceration if convicted. Prior studies have reported much smaller sentence gaps because they have ignored the role of charging, plea-bargaining, and sentencing fact-finding in producing sentences. Most studies control for endogenous severity measures that result from these earlier discretionary processes and use samples that have been winnowed by them. I avoid these problems by using a linked dataset tracing cases from arrest through sentencing. Using decomposition methods, I show that most sentence disparity arises from decisions at the earlier stages, and use the rich data to investigate causal theories for these gender gaps.
q.e.d.
And also traffic citations. Surprised they didn't include that.
Madner Kami wrote: ↑Wed Feb 06, 2019 3:03 am
Reverse Racism is a stupid word and what it implies is, that someone is behaving in a racist manner and get racist reactions in return. Can we please just call the duck a duck? it's racism, plain and simple.
The trouble is the neologistic definition that is gaining use in activist conversations (which, thanks to the internet, are not limited to people who share that definition), which adds on an element of power disparity to the broader definition of simple racial bigotry. For some, they are using the word racism in a way that must inherently involve institutional oppression. That's how you get conversations with phrases like "white people can't be racist", because from that point of view (in the relevant cultures) it's trivially true.
I can understand why that definition is useful and how it comes to be relevant, but overloading the word leads to a lot of misunderstanding and confusion and things that sound really silly in the former context like "reverse racism".
I really do get where you're going with this, but do you think interpersonal treatment, sociologically speaking, really holds as much water as the systemic factors? As it pertains to the dominant culture it's really the latter that gives the electric current the former has. I'm not really sure if you can dissociate them or call for more clear and objective citing when it happens to make it concisely understood, but either way it doesn't get to me that much if people don't like me because I'm white. And I don't think I'd want to charge someone more severely with a hate crime in this type of scenario (the op news article).
I actually think of it reverse of what you're saying, in that it's not the base term that's being loaded with the institutional aspects, but that the bigoted attitudes themselves.
