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J!! wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2019 4:30 am
if god existed, it would be necessary to kill him
Isn't that the plot of every SMT game?
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I'd like to believe there is something out there thats on my side cause lord, knows if all I'm stuck with is you self righteous humans and your feeble attempts to justify your existences/moral evolution by constantly changing the rules so you basically qualify by default without the actual growth... Hell at the moment its I'm pretty sure there is Humans, An over arching Malovent force in the Universe 'Lets call him Ahriman' and hopefully somebody else
Its like Justice... You humans want Justice but YOU don't want to feel bad about it even by association which points too something abstract in the evolutionary matrix since Justice is a logical progression of Punishment... Mercy's existence is illogical and has no real evolutionary benefit or factor
then again you motherfuckers miss the point of mercy by enforcing that Mercy is mandatory in a "Good" person to the point its not Mercy its just over-glorified leniency while you pat yourself on the back that you proved your "morally" better
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"When you rule by fear, your greatest weakness is the one who's no longer afraid."
clearspira wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2019 10:55 am
Whilst we are on the subject, the other thing that annoys me is the absolute certainty theists have that their god out of the 3000 plus other gods throughout history is right
Yeah please remember that is not a trait for all theists, or even all religions.
Right here, I am a theist who believes that there are other gods than the ones I worship.
"Believe me, there’s nothing so terrible that someone won’t support it."
— Un Lun Dun, China Mieville
BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2019 6:39 am
I was born in a commune that took in rehab seekers. Apparently they were common in the mid 70's to mid 80's on the northern coast of California having an apparent religious directive (privately managed). We had left it when I was a baby, but I'm pretty sure that I have no experience with church, especially that I remember.
I remember being mildly shocked when my Jewish atheist friend said that he didn't believe in God. I was 8, and just was not personally familiar with someone that didn't believe in God or the idea that God didn't exist. No big story there, I just didn't think twice about it when hearing people talk about it. I know that by some point in high school I was looking at the objective account more which is understandably limited with evidence of God.
Funny that when you say atheist, it doesn't mean someone that doesn't believe in a deity but nonetheless might believe in a cosmological metaphysical construct. The specific detail of if a ruler happens to be controlling or had created material realm from another realm is quite minute in the grand scheme of things.
If I ruled the world it would be illegal to indoctrinate children into religion. It would be an adult choice like drinking or smoking.
Why? Because its brain washing and nothing more. Religion would vanish in a heartbeat without catching human beings in their most susceptible years and they know it.
I think your version of atheism is actually closer to deism tbh. Everyone I know (including me) who call themselves atheists dismiss the idea out of hand.
I don't feel that my impression of atheism is close to "belief in the existence of a supreme being, specifically of a creator who does not intervene in the universe." Atheism is by definition the opposite of that.
''Funny that when you say atheist, it doesn't mean someone that doesn't believe in a deity but nonetheless might believe in a cosmological metaphysical construct. The specific detail of if a ruler happens to be controlling or had created material realm from another realm is quite minute in the grand scheme of things.''
That's not atheism either. You are not making sense. Atheism is the belief that there is NO intelligent creator, no matter how many big words you use that does not change.
clearspira wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2019 10:55 am
Whilst we are on the subject, the other thing that annoys me is the absolute certainty theists have that their god out of the 3000 plus other gods throughout history is right
Yeah please remember that is not a trait for all theists, or even all religions.
Right here, I am a theist who believes that there are other gods than the ones I worship.
Most theists though lets be honest. To be religious is to be closed minded by definition because you are starting with a ''truth'' and working back from that. Anything that comes along to threaten that ''truth'' is excluded otherwise the whole thing will collapse. The original question asked why I am an atheist, well there you go. The scientific method is an extremely good measure of truth. If you cannot put something through it after 5000 plus years of religion then you have not got anything but stories. I have not got in in me to follow something that has all the hallmarks of being fictional as a fact - for me that is not something a sane person does.
BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2019 6:39 am
I was born in a commune that took in rehab seekers. Apparently they were common in the mid 70's to mid 80's on the northern coast of California having an apparent religious directive (privately managed). We had left it when I was a baby, but I'm pretty sure that I have no experience with church, especially that I remember.
I remember being mildly shocked when my Jewish atheist friend said that he didn't believe in God. I was 8, and just was not personally familiar with someone that didn't believe in God or the idea that God didn't exist. No big story there, I just didn't think twice about it when hearing people talk about it. I know that by some point in high school I was looking at the objective account more which is understandably limited with evidence of God.
Funny that when you say atheist, it doesn't mean someone that doesn't believe in a deity but nonetheless might believe in a cosmological metaphysical construct. The specific detail of if a ruler happens to be controlling or had created material realm from another realm is quite minute in the grand scheme of things.
If I ruled the world it would be illegal to indoctrinate children into religion. It would be an adult choice like drinking or smoking.
Why? Because its brain washing and nothing more. Religion would vanish in a heartbeat without catching human beings in their most susceptible years and they know it.
I think your version of atheism is actually closer to deism tbh. Everyone I know (including me) who call themselves atheists dismiss the idea out of hand.
I don't feel that my impression of atheism is close to "belief in the existence of a supreme being, specifically of a creator who does not intervene in the universe." Atheism is by definition the opposite of that.
''Funny that when you say atheist, it doesn't mean someone that doesn't believe in a deity but nonetheless might believe in a cosmological metaphysical construct. The specific detail of if a ruler happens to be controlling or had created material realm from another realm is quite minute in the grand scheme of things.''
That's not atheism either. You are not making sense. Atheism is the belief that there is NO intelligent creator, no matter how many big words you use that does not change.
What I was saying was that people talk about atheism but tend to ignore the concept of cosmic realms. Buddhism is atheist, but there's a lot of fantastical metaphysical speculation going on.
BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2019 6:39 am
I was born in a commune that took in rehab seekers. Apparently they were common in the mid 70's to mid 80's on the northern coast of California having an apparent religious directive (privately managed). We had left it when I was a baby, but I'm pretty sure that I have no experience with church, especially that I remember.
I remember being mildly shocked when my Jewish atheist friend said that he didn't believe in God. I was 8, and just was not personally familiar with someone that didn't believe in God or the idea that God didn't exist. No big story there, I just didn't think twice about it when hearing people talk about it. I know that by some point in high school I was looking at the objective account more which is understandably limited with evidence of God.
Funny that when you say atheist, it doesn't mean someone that doesn't believe in a deity but nonetheless might believe in a cosmological metaphysical construct. The specific detail of if a ruler happens to be controlling or had created material realm from another realm is quite minute in the grand scheme of things.
If I ruled the world it would be illegal to indoctrinate children into religion. It would be an adult choice like drinking or smoking.
Why? Because its brain washing and nothing more. Religion would vanish in a heartbeat without catching human beings in their most susceptible years and they know it.
I think your version of atheism is actually closer to deism tbh. Everyone I know (including me) who call themselves atheists dismiss the idea out of hand.
I don't feel that my impression of atheism is close to "belief in the existence of a supreme being, specifically of a creator who does not intervene in the universe." Atheism is by definition the opposite of that.
''Funny that when you say atheist, it doesn't mean someone that doesn't believe in a deity but nonetheless might believe in a cosmological metaphysical construct. The specific detail of if a ruler happens to be controlling or had created material realm from another realm is quite minute in the grand scheme of things.''
That's not atheism either. You are not making sense. Atheism is the belief that there is NO intelligent creator, no matter how many big words you use that does not change.
What I was saying was that people talk about atheism but tend to ignore the concept of cosmic realms. Buddhism is atheist, but there's a lot of fantastical metaphysical speculation going on.
Fair enough, I see what you mean now. Although reincarnation is just as unlikely as God.
BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2019 5:37 pmBuddhism is atheist, but there's a lot of fantastical metaphysical speculation going on.
No, Buddhism is not atheist, it's theist by nature. There are plenty of gods, god-like beings, ghosts, spirits and other such supernatural beings around, which makes it innately a-atheist. What you are aiming at, is the ~somewhat~ unqiue position, that worshipping the buddhist gods doesn't necessarily give you a better position in the metaphysics of the belief-system (e.g. giving you access to a paradise or other afterlife), especially given that the desired state is a state of non-existence and that there's no original creator-god. But this belief is just side-stepping what plenty of other religions do, imo.
"If you get shot up by an A6M Reisen and your plane splits into pieces - does that mean it's divided by Zero?
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