This reminds me of that joke in KOTOR where Mission questions the sheer odds against Revan being HK-47's creator and them randomly reuniting and Canderus just shrugs and points out that once the Force is involved that kind of contrived nonsense happens all the time.Winter wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 1:50 amIt could be that he's force sensitive but it's also possible that the Force is just helping him out. We know that the Force is self aware and that there is more then just one side to it. It's possible that bad things happening around him are the result of the Dark Side trying to off him while the light side is trying to keep him alive.hammerofglass wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 1:34 am I do think there's something to Jar Jar being some kind of Force wielder, although he might not understand it himself. He has supernaturally extreme luck where unlikely disasters happen around him but he ends up coming out OK or even benefiting, and he kills an insane number of enemies through apparently random bumbling. That's in TPM and the series both.
Plus there's that whole Summon Bigger Fish thing on Rodia, where he casually makes friends with a native swamp monster that then saves the day. In Rebels Ezra being able to do that kind of thing is represented as a rare gift that few Jedi can do.
Personally I like the idea that Jar Jar isn't Force Sensitive because it is an over used trope in Star Wars. This person is really good at something that others say is near to impossible, they must be Force Sensitive. Some times it works like in KOTOR and other times it just feels like lazy writers trying to justify bad story choices with the worst of these being, IMO, Finn. Finn saw terrible things and left the First Order, it's because he's Force Sensitive. Managing to find someone they weren't looking for but just happens to have the sort of skills they need to save the Fleet, the Force did it. Finn knows which ship is guiding everyone off the planet because no one knows what a window is and which way is up, Finn used the Force.
I remember a lot of Prequel Trilogy critics getting real mad at TPT for landing just where Anakin was in The Phantom Menace and that he just happened to build C-3P0 and then defending the SEVERAL contrived plot points in The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi (which makes landing on the planet where the Chosen One just happens to be look like small potatoes in comparison) by saying that it was justified because the Force was doing all this.
It's just something that bugs me because it comes off as writers being lazy and using the lore as an excuse rather then using the lore to tell a story.
That Time Jar Jar Binks Save the Galaxy... I'm Not Joking
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NOTHING exposes a hack writer quicker than giving them an ability that can do anything. My favourite example in basically all of film history at this point is the hunt for the Sith dagger in TROS, where they crash their speeder in a completely random and unmarked bit of desert that just so happens to be the quicksand ceiling(!) to the Sith cave that they were looking for.hammerofglass wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 1:19 pmThis reminds me of that joke in KOTOR where Mission questions the sheer odds against Revan being HK-47's creator and them randomly reuniting and Canderus just shrugs and points out that once the Force is involved that kind of contrived nonsense happens all the time.Winter wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 1:50 amIt could be that he's force sensitive but it's also possible that the Force is just helping him out. We know that the Force is self aware and that there is more then just one side to it. It's possible that bad things happening around him are the result of the Dark Side trying to off him while the light side is trying to keep him alive.hammerofglass wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 1:34 am I do think there's something to Jar Jar being some kind of Force wielder, although he might not understand it himself. He has supernaturally extreme luck where unlikely disasters happen around him but he ends up coming out OK or even benefiting, and he kills an insane number of enemies through apparently random bumbling. That's in TPM and the series both.
Plus there's that whole Summon Bigger Fish thing on Rodia, where he casually makes friends with a native swamp monster that then saves the day. In Rebels Ezra being able to do that kind of thing is represented as a rare gift that few Jedi can do.
Personally I like the idea that Jar Jar isn't Force Sensitive because it is an over used trope in Star Wars. This person is really good at something that others say is near to impossible, they must be Force Sensitive. Some times it works like in KOTOR and other times it just feels like lazy writers trying to justify bad story choices with the worst of these being, IMO, Finn. Finn saw terrible things and left the First Order, it's because he's Force Sensitive. Managing to find someone they weren't looking for but just happens to have the sort of skills they need to save the Fleet, the Force did it. Finn knows which ship is guiding everyone off the planet because no one knows what a window is and which way is up, Finn used the Force.
I remember a lot of Prequel Trilogy critics getting real mad at TPT for landing just where Anakin was in The Phantom Menace and that he just happened to build C-3P0 and then defending the SEVERAL contrived plot points in The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi (which makes landing on the planet where the Chosen One just happens to be look like small potatoes in comparison) by saying that it was justified because the Force was doing all this.
It's just something that bugs me because it comes off as writers being lazy and using the lore as an excuse rather then using the lore to tell a story.
When The Simpsons coined the phrase ''A Wizard Did It'' they were joking. But not here. Star Wars took that to heart and built two trilogies around the concept.