Gender Criticals claim feminism has a "women problem"

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hammerofglass wrote: Sun Jan 21, 2024 10:45 am The numbers back it up. 2020 election 55% of white women voted for Trump.
Which means that 45% did not. 10% is hardly definitive proof.
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McAvoy wrote: Sun Jan 21, 2024 5:33 am
CharlesPhipps wrote: Sun Jan 21, 2024 2:18 am For a simple example relevant to America:

"White women in America will usually side with conservative male politicians over other women due to the importance of protecting white identity over women's rights."
Yeah, no. That is a propaganda line.
For who?
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clearspira wrote: Sun Jan 21, 2024 10:24 pm
hammerofglass wrote: Sun Jan 21, 2024 10:45 am The numbers back it up. 2020 election 55% of white women voted for Trump.
Which means that 45% did not. 10% is hardly definitive proof.
No, 55% is the definitive proof.

Also, the fact the Lost Cause mythology and most modern white supremacist mythology in my home country were made by the Daughters of the Confederacy rather than men. Mostly because the men behind it were too dumb to hide it.
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CharlesPhipps wrote: Mon Jan 22, 2024 2:16 am
McAvoy wrote: Sun Jan 21, 2024 5:33 am
CharlesPhipps wrote: Sun Jan 21, 2024 2:18 am For a simple example relevant to America:

"White women in America will usually side with conservative male politicians over other women due to the importance of protecting white identity over women's rights."
Yeah, no. That is a propaganda line.
For who?
Conservatives
I got nothing to say here.
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CharlesPhipps wrote: Mon Jan 22, 2024 2:16 am
clearspira wrote: Sun Jan 21, 2024 10:24 pm
hammerofglass wrote: Sun Jan 21, 2024 10:45 am The numbers back it up. 2020 election 55% of white women voted for Trump.
Which means that 45% did not. 10% is hardly definitive proof.
No, 55% is the definitive proof.

Also, the fact the Lost Cause mythology and most modern white supremacist mythology in my home country were made by the Daughters of the Confederacy rather than men. Mostly because the men behind it were too dumb to hide it.
We'll agree to disagree there.

But even if I did agree with you, ''correlation does not equal causation.'' You have your 55% figure, fine. Now prove to me that those women voted to ''preserve their white culture'' or whatever it is that we are arguing here and not ''they disliked the Democrats for their tax policies, defence policies, education policies etc.''
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If you lived in the states I'd say "listen to them talk for five minutes they'll get on the subject by themselves". As it is you'd call any example I give cherry picking.
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hammerofglass wrote: Mon Jan 22, 2024 8:18 am If you lived in the states I'd say "listen to them talk for five minutes they'll get on the subject by themselves". As it is you'd call any example I give cherry picking.
You have picked out a very large demographic and have boiled down why they voted the way they did to a single point. The 20 other things that may have created this outcome you have ignored.
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clearspira wrote: Mon Jan 22, 2024 11:21 am
hammerofglass wrote: Mon Jan 22, 2024 8:18 am If you lived in the states I'd say "listen to them talk for five minutes they'll get on the subject by themselves". As it is you'd call any example I give cherry picking.
You have picked out a very large demographic and have boiled down why they voted the way they did to a single point. The 20 other things that may have created this outcome you have ignored.
You're correct, however you're conviniently ignoring something: They may Vote the way they vote for different reasons, but they're willingly and conciously voting for a group of people who also advocate what's essentially white-supremacy in a new mantle.
Let's put it this way: The Nutzis in Germany introduced some rather progressive laws regarding animals and nature at the time. You may have voted for them specifically because of that, but you still, willingly and conciously, voted for party that advocated for the extermination of everyone they deemed as unworthy. You're not going to get away from that.
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