Does Batman have superpowers?

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SuccubusYuri wrote:I mean, the super-cynical side of me classifies Batman as a mental illness Bruce has (the paranoid obsession of it all), but because of his economic resources, he's allowed to be humored instead of put away in Arkham.
My personal headcanon is that he is mentally ill, which is why he decided to cope with his trauma by dressing up as a bat and going out at night to rough up crooks rather than becoming a policeman, lawyer, judge or the like and trying to clean up the system from the inside (and only turning to vigilantism once that failed). The only difference between him and his rogues is that his neurosis are directed towards being productive rather than destructive and his personal code of morals.

In fact there's at least one storyline where Gordon outright tells Batman that the only reason he's tolerated is because of said code.
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On the is-Batman-insane bit I'm going to do a drive-by posting before I run off to hide. Some dialog from the Batman Begins video game:

Batman: Alfred, I need a way inside the asylum.
Alfred: Might I suggest donning a pair of tights and pretending you're a bat, sir?
Batman: Cute.
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Dînadan wrote:
SuccubusYuri wrote:I mean, the super-cynical side of me classifies Batman as a mental illness Bruce has (the paranoid obsession of it all), but because of his economic resources, he's allowed to be humored instead of put away in Arkham.
My personal headcanon is that he is mentally ill, which is why he decided to cope with his trauma by dressing up as a bat and going out at night to rough up crooks rather than becoming a policeman, lawyer, judge or the like and trying to clean up the system from the inside (and only turning to vigilantism once that failed). The only difference between him and his rogues is that his neurosis are directed towards being productive rather than destructive and his personal code of morals.

In fact there's at least one storyline where Gordon outright tells Batman that the only reason he's tolerated is because of said code.
I don't know if mentally ill is the right word but... emotionally stunted, maybe?

In one of our earlier threads, I recall, their was some discussion of Batman being sort of child-like, as I recall (don't recall which thread). I think that rings true, to an extent. Not childish in his behaviour, because he's usually deadly serious, but emotionally immature or child-like in certain ways. I mean, dressing up in a scary costume and going out to punch the bad guys is a very childish response to the evils of the world. Then there's his lack of healthy romantic relationships (though that could just be a product of his career), his idealistic insistence on not killing (which I personally agree with, but could possibly be interpreted as a remnant of child-like idealism and innocence), and the fact that his friends and associates tend to be adolescents (Batgirl, Robin, etc.). In a way, he's someone who never grew up, because he never was able to move past that night in the alley.

In light of all that, it makes an absurd sort of sense that his arch enemy is an evil clown- a very child-like fear.

Edit: I'm not a psychiatrist, obviously, but I wonder if you could make a case for some sort of dissociative disorder- considering that at least some versions think of themselves as Batman, not Bruce, in their own head.

But really, I think it makes a stronger story generally if Batman is not a product of mental illness, but of Bruce's own choice. An irrational, or at least uninformed choice, probably, a choice made by a desperate and angry child which Bruce is to stubborn, and has sacrificed too much for, to walk away from. But ultimately his decision, made for fundamentally sane reasons.
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Batman beyond being super rich, an apex condition human who, and exceedingly smart has the power of being super-prepared. He has plans and tools to make those plans work. He is Bat-stu but we like him so it's accepted.
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Robovski wrote: the power of being super-prepared. He has plans and tools to make those plans work.
Oh yeah, that's his other super power, always having a tool or plan for the job. People may call it paranoia, but think of it, when has he ever whipped out a gadget that wasn't needed or that he hasn't needed in the past?

Come to think of it, when he retires Batman should really think about getting a job with MI-6, he'd make Q in no time ;P
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The Romulan Republic wrote: But really, I think it makes a stronger story generally if Batman is not a product of mental illness, but of Bruce's own choice. An irrational, or at least uninformed choice, probably, a choice made by a desperate and angry child which Bruce is to stubborn, and has sacrificed too much for, to walk away from. But ultimately his decision, made for fundamentally sane reasons.
Wonder if it says something about me that I find the reverse being the stronger story; for me it makes a stronger story that he takes his illness/imbalance and directs it towards something positive. Sort of a case of he's giving into his issues, but not letting them consume him. It also gives a stronger bond to the rogues being reflections of him angle for me.
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Dînadan wrote:Sort of a case of he's giving into his issues, but not letting them consume him.
Wait what? Did you have a look at that guy? If he is not consumed by his issues, then who is?
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Madner Kami wrote:
Dînadan wrote:Sort of a case of he's giving into his issues, but not letting them consume him.
Wait what? Did you have a look at that guy? If he is not consumed by his issues, then who is?
I meant more in comparison to his rogues; I meant consumed in the sense that unlike Joker, Two-Face, Riddler and so forth he's not letting his issues destroy him. Sort of when they look into the abyss and the abyss looks back, the rogues blink but he doesn't.

I'm not sure how to articulate the distinction properly, it's one of those fine line/knife edge things where a slight tilt will tip you over the edge from X to Y; Bats is X, the rogues are Y and it'd take only a slight nudge to push him into Y but he's able to hold back and stay X.
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If Bruce Wayne is mentally ill to some extent, and knows it, it would help to explain his "no kill" policy. Would you leave that decision to someone with "issues"?
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Dînadan wrote:
The Romulan Republic wrote: But really, I think it makes a stronger story generally if Batman is not a product of mental illness, but of Bruce's own choice. An irrational, or at least uninformed choice, probably, a choice made by a desperate and angry child which Bruce is to stubborn, and has sacrificed too much for, to walk away from. But ultimately his decision, made for fundamentally sane reasons.
Wonder if it says something about me that I find the reverse being the stronger story; for me it makes a stronger story that he takes his illness/imbalance and directs it towards something positive. Sort of a case of he's giving into his issues, but not letting them consume him. It also gives a stronger bond to the rogues being reflections of him angle for me.
I suppose either can be done well. It depends on the version of the character, the author, and the kind of story they want to tell.

Edits: As for the "no kill" policy as commented on above... I think that there are a lot of possible reasons for it. Which are more important may depend on the specific version of Batman.

One is a basic emotional revulsion at the thought of killing, both for the obvious reasons of empathy and morality and because of the very experience that drove Bruce to become Batman (watching his parents' murder). Part of it is the knowledge that if once he crosses that line, he can never go back, and he might become just as bad as the monsters he fights. Part of it is pragmatism- Gordon and the police tolerate him in part because he won't cross that line.

And partly (as Chuck noted in the review for "A Better World") its not Batman's job to be the judge or jury. That is society's job. If society feels that someone deserves to die, then they can elect pro-death penalty politicians to pass that sentence through the legitimate court system.

Actually, regarding the pragmatism point- forget Gordon. How would Superman react if Batman turned into the Punisher?
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