Let's get down to brass tacks... (SJWs/influence in movies)

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

Pay attention how there is bascially only one episode at all, where Sisko being black is made a theme and it's the one episode where he switches positions with Benny Russel, the novel writer in 1950s' New York.

Incidentally this is also how you write a good black character: You do not draw attention to his skin and treat him like every other human character in your play. This creates true equality. His skin-colour just did not fucking matter, as it should.

Because drawing attention to our differences dehumanizes them? I'm guessing you Don't See Color?

There are other episodes where his race is a part of it. Think about how many times his New Orleans heritage plays into, not major arcs, but minor things with the cooking. Also there was the Save Vick Fontaine episode where his girlfriend brings up racism of the past.

There aren't many episodes where racial predjudice against black men becomes relevant, it is true, but you don't need to sweep a character's race under the carpet like it's something dirty.

[clearspira]

Pay attention how there is bascially only one episode at all, where Sisko being black is made a theme and it's the one episode where he switches positions with Benny Russel, the novel writer in 1950s' New York.

Incidentally this is also how you write a good black character: You do not draw attention to his skin and treat him like every other human character in your play. This creates true equality. His skin-colour just did not fucking matter, as it should.

Because drawing attention to our differences dehumanizes them? I'm guessing you Don't See Color?

There are other episodes where his race is a part of it. Think about how many times his New Orleans heritage plays into, not major arcs, but minor things with the cooking. Also there was the Save Vick Fontaine episode where his girlfriend brings up racism of the past.

There aren't many episodes where racial predjudice against black men becomes relevant, it is true, but you don't need to sweep a character's race under the carpet like it's something dirty.

When people say they don't see colour, they are not saying "help me I'm blind" they are saying "I don't give a shit what colour you are, I am going to treat you like I do everyone else."

The word for that is equality btw.

[Madner Kami]

Because drawing attention to our differences dehumanizes them? I'm guessing you Don't See Color?

There are other episodes where his race is a part of it. Think about how many times his New Orleans heritage plays into, not major arcs, but minor things with the cooking. Also there was the Save Vick Fontaine episode where his girlfriend brings up racism of the past.

There aren't many episodes where racial predjudice against black men becomes relevant, it is true, but you don't need to sweep a character's race under the carpet like it's something dirty.

If you want people to be treated equal, then you need to make them equal. If you treat Sisko like a black man, he will be a black man. It's funny how people like you fail to realize this simple fact of the matter.
Benjamin Sisko is a human being (let's pretend that his Prophet-heritage did not happen) who grew up on a United Earth, a paradise where everyone is treated equal, no matter which country, which planet, which solar system and literally, which race they decend from. Benjamin Sisko became a Commander and, lateron, a Captain not because of a quota or a minority-policy, but because he had the skills, the mindset and the leadership for that position. He's not Captain because he's black, but because he's the right man for the position.

Similarly Samuel Jackson's Nick Fury. There was a bit of a hubbub about him playing a normally white character, but where is that now? It's gone, because almost everyone has realized that he is the perfect man for that job. That Nick Fury is black in the MCU is entirely irrelevant, both for the characters and the audience. Just as it should be. Just as it needs to be, if we ever want to reach equality between the "races" on this green-blue speck of stellar dust.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

This is an odd exchange of ideas. While I don't have much to say about the dynamic of treating him in such way or the other, I'm not sure if there is much room for the more racially introspective text or subtext as Madner's pointing out. Nick Furry being director of a spy organization also would be a weird place to park that car.

The weird thing being though that you guys are disagreeing in principle where as the substance for consideration you both agree on as being great for the most part. There's two established episodes where race is explicitly brought up. I'm really not sure if the New Orleans episodes involved any; did they? Anyways I felt like Madner's initial point was that it's not laiden throughout the show, which was immediately agreed upon. I'm of the mind that there would be disagreement if there was more of it in the show, but I'm not sure how the show as is serves as an example for either side of argument.

[Mecha82]

To be fair with MCU Nick Fury he is based on Ultimate Universe Nick Fury who in turn was modeled after Samuel L. Jackson who in turn plays Nick Fury in MCU. Funny how things can go around like that.

[Yukaphile]

People hate Brie Larson. I can name at least one similar female foreign actress I hate worse.

[Mecha82]

They don't just hate Brie Larson but they also hate Captain Marvel as character because of something she did in comic books during to Civil War 2 story line. Because I didn't read that story line (I prefer DC comic books over Marvel ones) I am actually neutral when it comes to Captain Marvel as character.

[Yukaphile]

It's ironic given Captain Marvel's own past in the early 1980s. That wasn't exactly a very woman-friendly time, was it?

[Mecha82]

To be honest current Captain Marvel Carol Danvers isn't Marvel's first Captain Marvel. Before her there was Kree Captain Mar-Vell who was involved with Carol getting her powers and becoming Ms. Marvel (by having her DNA fused with his) followed by Monica Rambeau. Also Carol is reason why Rogue from X-Men could fly, was super strong and super durable during 90's because Rogue took Carol's powers and put her to coma.

[Madner Kami]

This is an odd exchange of ideas. While I don't have much to say about the dynamic of treating him in such way or the other, I'm not sure if there is much room for the more racially introspective text or subtext as Madner's pointing out. Nick Furry being director of a spy organization also would be a weird place to park that car.

The weird thing being though that you guys are disagreeing in principle where as the substance for consideration you both agree on as being great for the most part. There's two established episodes where race is explicitly brought up. I'm really not sure if the New Orleans episodes involved any; did they? Anyways I felt like Madner's initial point was that it's not laiden throughout the show, which was immediately agreed upon. I'm of the mind that there would be disagreement if there was more of it in the show, but I'm not sure how the show as is serves as an example for either side of argument.

My point is, that being black was tangential to Sisko's character. Racism against black people gets brought up in the frame of two episodes, directly when it involves a black man in the 1950s USA and once when speaking about the past and it's treatment of black people. And this is how it should be treated.

Now mind you, if you have a character who is confronted with racism, then of course the adressing of racism is necessary within the story, but you do not have to bring up racism whenever there is a black or asian or native american or a mestizo or god knows what combination thereof character in your story and that is the concern I have and that I was aiming at. You actively normalize racism if every single one of your black characters has to deal with racism somehow. Like with Sisko. Racism is not an issue in his case, so there is no need to adress racism against black people or somehow make it an integral part of his character. You show him as what he is: A normal human being and by showing him as a normal human being, who got where he is based on his merits, you normalize black people being normal people and create a thousand times better role model without any effort.