Okay, I'm sorry for Everything

[McAvoy]

Frankly it just seems Dragon Ball Fan just want to act superior and can't accept that we aren't going to agree with him on that. I mean he literal made this thread as an apology for this kind of behavior and has burn off even the tiny tiniest amount of good will that got him. Have you ever decided just to ignore anything political, or to get someone to put parental locks if you can't grow up DBF.

I once had a prolonged stint where I debated and even trolled vegans on YouTube ten years ago. Usually the ones I debated were the most holier than thou obnoxious vegans.

As in using language like 'I for one don't eat diseased maggot infested flesh like a dog nor do I drink pus filled milk right out of a babies mouth nor do I rape them to get that milk.'

I grew out of it or got bored with it. The point is I never took these guys serious, and never felt that vegans should be better because of those bad apples.

Okay, I shouldn't have acted that way but I just couldn't understand why some people are okay with this behavior, when I literally have muscle spasms whenever I think something similar, I legitimately cannot empathize with whistling death on, nor hating someone.

The fact that am making a jackass out of myself in this way is driving me just as crazy as those hatful comments.

Well if you feel that Goku represents you in your moral prerogative, then what are you thinking all the villains of Dragon Ball are supposed to represent? Your own personal demons? The whole point of the show is that the landscape lacks moral gravity, in which case you have people fighting on one side and the other.

Does Goku just argue about how he can't comprehend what Vegeta and Nappa are doing?

The irony is that Goku isn't really someone that you want to look up to. Sure, he isn't a cruel person, he happily gave his ice cream to his granddaughter when she dropped hers as an example. But he is also fiercely selfish in the pursuit of becoming the strongest man in the universe and has proven consistently that he is willing to become an absent husband and father in the pursuit of that goal as well as putting his friends and family in active danger in the process. (Giving Cell a Senzu so that he can beat the shit out of his son anyone?)

There is this whole thing with the DragonBall community that Goku is a horrible father.

DragonBall Super reinforced that. Though it seems they were looking at DragonBall Abridged than the real show for his characterization.

Look at Z as a whole. First five years he was with Gohan 24/7. Then he got killed and had to train in thd afterlife to fight the Saiyans. A severe threat. Then he was badly wounded where he couldn't go to Namek. He later got a sensu bean and then immediately traveled there. Got beat up again, went SSJ, took down Freiza. Nearly killed on Namek exploding.

Him not coming back when they tried wishing him back is his first time where you could say he was an absentee father.

He comes back, has to train for three years to take on a couple of androids who destroyed the future. He is training with Gohan and Piccolo the entire time.

He gets his heart virus, is out for a few days. Takes Gohan for a whole year to train.

Sure he gave Cell a sensu bean. You could make arguments why he did that. He did realize his mistake when Gohan wasn't really fighting like Goku thought he should.

Goku dies again, stays dead for seven years. Not really being absent because he is dead. He comes back for a day originally to see family and friends and fight some.

Buu happens. He alive again and stays alive. End of DBZ, it seems like he was there the entire time.

That is Goku as a father. Only once where Goku should have came home and that was after Freiza saga. Other times he was dead or sick.

[Thebestoftherest]

I think that this is a topic for another thread.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

Yeah what a deadbeat goku is.

[Dragon Ball Fan]

Frankly it just seems Dragon Ball Fan just want to act superior and can't accept that we aren't going to agree with him on that. I mean he literal made this thread as an apology for this kind of behavior and has burn off even the tiny tiniest amount of good will that got him. Have you ever decided just to ignore anything political, or to get someone to put parental locks if you can't grow up DBF.

I once had a prolonged stint where I debated and even trolled vegans on YouTube ten years ago. Usually the ones I debated were the most holier than thou obnoxious vegans.

As in using language like 'I for one don't eat diseased maggot infested flesh like a dog nor do I drink pus filled milk right out of a babies mouth nor do I rape them to get that milk.'

I grew out of it or got bored with it. The point is I never took these guys serious, and never felt that vegans should be better because of those bad apples.

Okay, I shouldn't have acted that way but I just couldn't understand why some people are okay with this behavior, when I literally have muscle spasms whenever I think something similar, I legitimately cannot empathize with whistling death on, nor hating someone.

The fact that am making a jackass out of myself in this way is driving me just as crazy as those hatful comments.

Well if you feel that Goku represents you in your moral prerogative, then what are you thinking all the villains of Dragon Ball are supposed to represent? Your own personal demons? The whole point of the show is that the landscape lacks moral gravity, in which case you have people fighting on one side and the other.

Does Goku just argue about how he can't comprehend what Vegeta and Nappa are doing?

The irony is that Goku isn't really someone that you want to look up to. Sure, he isn't a cruel person, he happily gave his ice cream to his granddaughter when she dropped hers as an example. But he is also fiercely selfish in the pursuit of becoming the strongest man in the universe and has proven consistently that he is willing to become an absent husband and father in the pursuit of that goal as well as putting his friends and family in active danger in the process. (Giving Cell a Senzu so that he can beat the shit out of his son anyone?)

How many time do I have to explain that it is the English Dub Goku I idolize, the one who had almost all of his selfish traits scrubbed away.

[Dragon Ball Fan]

Frankly it just seems Dragon Ball Fan just want to act superior and can't accept that we aren't going to agree with him on that. I mean he literal made this thread as an apology for this kind of behavior and has burn off even the tiny tiniest amount of good will that got him. Have you ever decided just to ignore anything political, or to get someone to put parental locks if you can't grow up DBF.

I once had a prolonged stint where I debated and even trolled vegans on YouTube ten years ago. Usually the ones I debated were the most holier than thou obnoxious vegans.

As in using language like 'I for one don't eat diseased maggot infested flesh like a dog nor do I drink pus filled milk right out of a babies mouth nor do I rape them to get that milk.'

I grew out of it or got bored with it. The point is I never took these guys serious, and never felt that vegans should be better because of those bad apples.

Okay, I shouldn't have acted that way but I just couldn't understand why some people are okay with this behavior, when I literally have muscle spasms whenever I think something similar, I legitimately cannot empathize with whistling death on, nor hating someone.

The fact that am making a jackass out of myself in this way is driving me just as crazy as those hatful comments.

Well if you feel that Goku represents you in your moral prerogative, then what are you thinking all the villains of Dragon Ball are supposed to represent? Your own personal demons? The whole point of the show is that the landscape lacks moral gravity, in which case you have people fighting on one side and the other.

Does Goku just argue about how he can't comprehend what Vegeta and Nappa are doing?

I don't know, perhaps I see some other leftists as Vegeta, someone who needs to get better morally.

And again, I also idolize Guardian Bob and Unicron Trilogy Optimus Prime.

[Thebestoftherest]

Can we please just not response to this thread anymore?

[McAvoy]

Frankly it just seems Dragon Ball Fan just want to act superior and can't accept that we aren't going to agree with him on that. I mean he literal made this thread as an apology for this kind of behavior and has burn off even the tiny tiniest amount of good will that got him. Have you ever decided just to ignore anything political, or to get someone to put parental locks if you can't grow up DBF.

I once had a prolonged stint where I debated and even trolled vegans on YouTube ten years ago. Usually the ones I debated were the most holier than thou obnoxious vegans.

As in using language like 'I for one don't eat diseased maggot infested flesh like a dog nor do I drink pus filled milk right out of a babies mouth nor do I rape them to get that milk.'

I grew out of it or got bored with it. The point is I never took these guys serious, and never felt that vegans should be better because of those bad apples.

Okay, I shouldn't have acted that way but I just couldn't understand why some people are okay with this behavior, when I literally have muscle spasms whenever I think something similar, I legitimately cannot empathize with whistling death on, nor hating someone.

The fact that am making a jackass out of myself in this way is driving me just as crazy as those hatful comments.

Well if you feel that Goku represents you in your moral prerogative, then what are you thinking all the villains of Dragon Ball are supposed to represent? Your own personal demons? The whole point of the show is that the landscape lacks moral gravity, in which case you have people fighting on one side and the other.

Does Goku just argue about how he can't comprehend what Vegeta and Nappa are doing?

The irony is that Goku isn't really someone that you want to look up to. Sure, he isn't a cruel person, he happily gave his ice cream to his granddaughter when she dropped hers as an example. But he is also fiercely selfish in the pursuit of becoming the strongest man in the universe and has proven consistently that he is willing to become an absent husband and father in the pursuit of that goal as well as putting his friends and family in active danger in the process. (Giving Cell a Senzu so that he can beat the shit out of his son anyone?)

How many time do I have to explain that it is the English Dub Goku I idolize, the one who had almost all of his selfish traits scrubbed away.

The DBZ you are talking about is not much different than the original Japanese version. Translations differ of course but not really the characterization of Goku and the others.

You never really explained why or how or what you idolize about Goku in the first place.

[McAvoy]

Frankly it just seems Dragon Ball Fan just want to act superior and can't accept that we aren't going to agree with him on that. I mean he literal made this thread as an apology for this kind of behavior and has burn off even the tiny tiniest amount of good will that got him. Have you ever decided just to ignore anything political, or to get someone to put parental locks if you can't grow up DBF.

I once had a prolonged stint where I debated and even trolled vegans on YouTube ten years ago. Usually the ones I debated were the most holier than thou obnoxious vegans.

As in using language like 'I for one don't eat diseased maggot infested flesh like a dog nor do I drink pus filled milk right out of a babies mouth nor do I rape them to get that milk.'

I grew out of it or got bored with it. The point is I never took these guys serious, and never felt that vegans should be better because of those bad apples.

Okay, I shouldn't have acted that way but I just couldn't understand why some people are okay with this behavior, when I literally have muscle spasms whenever I think something similar, I legitimately cannot empathize with whistling death on, nor hating someone.

The fact that am making a jackass out of myself in this way is driving me just as crazy as those hatful comments.

Well if you feel that Goku represents you in your moral prerogative, then what are you thinking all the villains of Dragon Ball are supposed to represent? Your own personal demons? The whole point of the show is that the landscape lacks moral gravity, in which case you have people fighting on one side and the other.

Does Goku just argue about how he can't comprehend what Vegeta and Nappa are doing?

I don't know, perhaps I see some other leftists as Vegeta, someone who needs to get better morally.

And again, I also idolize Guardian Bob and Unicron Trilogy Optimus Prime.

Wow you truly got a warped view of the world. And if you are comparing Vegeta to leftists, thdn you are not only truly hopeless, truly lost. But 100% unfixable.

I am not going to bother explaining it to you. I am not going to write 1000 posts on a round and round discussion on this on something you just can't comprehend and probably never understand. You havd already showed this already.

I don't have the patience, the alcohol or the crayons to explain this to you.

It's the leftists that have to get better. It is you. Work on yourself before you accuse anyone of anything.

[Dragon Ball Fan]

Frankly it just seems Dragon Ball Fan just want to act superior and can't accept that we aren't going to agree with him on that. I mean he literal made this thread as an apology for this kind of behavior and has burn off even the tiny tiniest amount of good will that got him. Have you ever decided just to ignore anything political, or to get someone to put parental locks if you can't grow up DBF.

I once had a prolonged stint where I debated and even trolled vegans on YouTube ten years ago. Usually the ones I debated were the most holier than thou obnoxious vegans.

As in using language like 'I for one don't eat diseased maggot infested flesh like a dog nor do I drink pus filled milk right out of a babies mouth nor do I rape them to get that milk.'

I grew out of it or got bored with it. The point is I never took these guys serious, and never felt that vegans should be better because of those bad apples.

Okay, I shouldn't have acted that way but I just couldn't understand why some people are okay with this behavior, when I literally have muscle spasms whenever I think something similar, I legitimately cannot empathize with whistling death on, nor hating someone.

The fact that am making a jackass out of myself in this way is driving me just as crazy as those hatful comments.

Well if you feel that Goku represents you in your moral prerogative, then what are you thinking all the villains of Dragon Ball are supposed to represent? Your own personal demons? The whole point of the show is that the landscape lacks moral gravity, in which case you have people fighting on one side and the other.

Does Goku just argue about how he can't comprehend what Vegeta and Nappa are doing?

I don't know, perhaps I see some other leftists as Vegeta, someone who needs to get better morally.

And again, I also idolize Guardian Bob and Unicron Trilogy Optimus Prime.

Wow you truly got a warped view of the world. And if you are comparing Vegeta to leftists, thdn you are not only truly hopeless, truly lost. But 100% unfixable.

I am not going to bother explaining it to you. I am not going to write 1000 posts on a round and round discussion on this on something you just can't comprehend and probably never understand. You havd already showed this already.

I don't have the patience, the alcohol or the crayons to explain this to you.

It's the leftists that have to get better. It is you. Work on yourself before you accuse anyone of anything.

I know I shouldn't be doing that but I was asked a question.

[sayla0079]

If you want a better example to use as a role model from an animation I can name one right off the bat: Dinobot from Beast Wars he started out as a villain but was honorable and once he joined the maximals he kept that honor and always tried to do the right thing no matter how wrong it seemed or how much it cost him.