Star Trek: Discovery in trouble?

[Draco Dracul]

Is it just me or do the new Klingons' aesthetics seem similar to the demonic ancient Egyptian martian OG Sith?

Honestly, they look very Star Gate. If you told me they were some kind of Goa'uld super troops, I believe it.

[Robovski]

Looks like some new gritty version of the Wicked Witch of the West's troops.

[The Romulan Republic]

Still makes me think more of the orcs from LotR. Armor is very Japanese, though.

You know, I know they won't do this, and the fan shrieking would shake the heavens if they did, but I'd like it if they made the aliens more, well... alien. TV can do better than rubber forehead shit and pointy ears these days, and it would jive with Star Trek's message, to show that something utterly alien or even, to our sensibilities, monstrous in appearance can still be worthy of respect, and someone we can identify and empathize with.

Make the Klingons actually orc-like, or even more bestial in appearance and mannerisms than orcs. Make the Vulcans something only vaguely-humanoid. Perhaps an exaggeration of their canon appearance and "elf-like" attributes- tall, graceful, elongated bodies and limbs. Take into account how evolving on a desert world would affect their biology. Etc.

Well... I can accept the classic pointy-eared Vulcans (and Romulans) since they're iconic (and there's the whole interbreeding with humans thing), and Klingons being bestial and orc-like isn't too far off from some of the existing depictions. But the lesser-known/new aliens should certainly tend towards the more alien.

[Steve]

And if they need ideas for such, Trek novelists have been coming up with alien-looking aliens for a while. The old Animated Series did the same thing.

Granted, some species probably can't be used, either form difficulty or, in the case of the S'ti'ich, because the author plainly based them off of Disney's Stitch character.

[Karha of Honor]

And if they need ideas for such, Trek novelists have been coming up with alien-looking aliens for a while. The old Animated Series did the same thing.

Granted, some species probably can't be used, either form difficulty or, in the case of the S'ti'ich, because the author plainly based them off of Disney's Stitch character.

We have no visual depiction of most new Treklit races.

[Steve]

And if they need ideas for such, Trek novelists have been coming up with alien-looking aliens for a while. The old Animated Series did the same thing.

Granted, some species probably can't be used, either form difficulty or, in the case of the S'ti'ich, because the author plainly based them off of Disney's Stitch character.

We have no visual depiction of most new Treklit races.

Just art in some cases, but that's what I mean. I imagine even today regularly making the sentient raptor lizards or cyborg ostriches that were portrayed on the Titan's crew would be difficult for a TV series.

[Arkle]

I'll probably get jumped on more for this than for any of my political statements made in these forums, but I'm gonna say it anyway;

If Discovery turns out to be well written, I'm not gonna care how much it adheres to continuity. You might want to sit down for this, but some of the canon established in TOS doesn't hold up. Because that show was made in the 1960s! Look, I love TOS. Ranking the live action shows I put TOS above TNG (but below DS9), but that has little to do with continuity. It has to do with STORIES! Sure, some continuity is nice, and it can be fun as long as you don't become super obsessed with it to the point of getting angry when two things from two episodes don't line up 100% perfectly, but...

I'm sorry, but 50 years worth of material, some of which is open to interpretation that not every fan agrees on, some of which wasn't even created to be important anywhere other than in that episode/series? I mean, FFS, so much of the "canon" people in this thread are screaming at Discovery for not matching was made up on the fly, and was contradicted plenty of times in TNG and beyond anyway! Not to mention so many of the complaints about Discovery could easily apply to the other shows too, but I don't see as much outrage about them. No one gave that much of a damn about us not hearing about Trip's sister until the second season finale of Enterprise. Or about Chakotay's in Season 7 of Voyager. Or how we never knew Spock's parent's names until Journey To Babel. How much did we really know about Picard's family before the episode Family? They didn't mention those things until they were relevant. But it's a horrible violation of canon when Discovery does the same thing? Gimme a break. I think some of you people WANT to hate this show because it isn't exactly like you pictured a new Trek series to be in your head, and your ego is thin you take Discovery not meeting those expectations as a personal attack. So the DSC main character is someone who looked up to Sarek as a father figure (I've seen a lot of people incorrectly label her an adopted sister to Spock, then they rant about it as if it's true; I'm guessing those people probably voted for Trump given their loose affiliation with reality). And? Tell me, oh wise keepers of the Continuity, where exactly in the episodes of TOS that aired was there ever a reason for Spock to bring that up? Assuming of course he ever met her? Because, I mean, I haven't met all of my parent's friends. Hell, the first time I ever met my father's closest friends from his last job was at his memorial.

So what if the Discovery ships have the same logo as Kirk's Enterprise? Who but the most die-hard fan even knows/remembers that in the TOS era every ship had it's own? And sorry fellow nerds, but if die-hard Trekkies were a big enough demographic to keep a TV show on the air, Enterprise would've gotten its Season 5, and Jeffrey Combs would've been promoted to cast regular, and there'd be a reveal that T'Pol was half-Romulan but didn't know it, etc.

So what about the look of the Klingons? Gee, it's almost as if we've had improvements in makeup and prosthetic technologies in the past 50 years. Who fucking knew! Now, yeah, sure, i don't like the look very much, but if the actors can emote well enough in it, I'll learn to deal.

At the end of the day, I think what pisses me off the most about some of this whining about Discovery (I mean, aside from the handful of sexists and racists, and I will block the first dumbass who responds to "a handful" as if I implied ALL critics of Discovery are those things) is the sense of entitlement. You are not the TV shows you like, people. I love Star Trek too. Even the bad stuff I can at least take some pleasure in making fun of (except for Into Darkness, that one actually did manage to piss me off, but one movie out 13? That's not a terrible record. And no, I'm not saying I loved all the other movies, just that even the ones I didn't like (miangly 5, Insurrection, and nemesis) didn't make me angry). Some of my best memories with my late father involve Trek; he actually kept me out of school the day The Undiscovered Country opened in theaters so we could see it together. I've read a bunch of the novels, including every single one of Peter David's New Frontier books. But I don't own it, and I'm not self-centered as to act like I do.

If you already think Discovery sucks, or if you give it a chance and decide you don't like it, a crime has not been committed against you. Your childhood has not been vilolated. All the old Trek stuff you like is still out there in some form or another for you to go back to anytime you want. I am a Trekkie. But that is not all I am. And good thing too, beucase that would just be pathetic. I'll re-watch the shows and/or movies on a whim, I'll read some of the books, play some of the videos games, buy the soundtrack CDs, wear Trek t-shirts in public without shame. But if it all went away, I'd still be here. I'd still be me. Can any of you people angry about Discovery before it even comes out say the same?

I'll give Discovery a fair shake (much I loathe the CBS All Access thing, because studios need to realize they wanted too long to get in on the streaming game and they should just suck it up and choose; Hulu, Amazon Prime, or NetFlix, but that's a seperate rant). But if I don't like it, it's not going to be the end of the world. And I certainly won't behave like a spoiled brat. At most all you'll get from me is some comedic hyperbole on Twitter. Because I am not the entertainment I consume. I am a human being.

[Robovski]

If it is bad, it damages the franchise and future opportunities. If it is bad, it is a wasted opportunity in the present as well.

If it is good it can stand on it's own legs and improves future chances of good product.

And I'm not even going to try to use CBS All Access, screw that noise. I'll VPN my Netflix to the UK.

[LittleRaven]

Well, I've signed up for CBS All Access. I'm looking forwards to tonight. Let's hope it's as good as the Orville.

[Redem]

I got to say I enjoyed it for the most part, but some part make it feel not entirely effective, because it feel a bit weird (like all those dutch angles, vulcan super-telepathy)

Michael mutying and her killing the klingon prophet, the later pretty suprising since she stressed capture