McAvoy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 8:17 pmRomulus did get destroyed. Who knows how many Romulans survived it. And maybe not all Romulans settled back on Vulcan anyway.
Talking about sense of scale is also somehow Klingons and Romulans having huge territories on par or even if smaller than the Federation and having the population to hold it. They would really need very a large population to do that. Otherwise they would stretched real thin.
Not all Romulans have settled on Vulcan I'm sure but enough that it is a represented ethnic minority.
But it seems that in Star Trek, there's a homeworld were for people but no settled planets that ever seem to equal the homeworlds of a planet. So the Klingon Empire has Kronos as the capital and economic center of the Klingon Empire with lots of smaller settlements but if you destroy Kronos, as we see in THE UNDISCOVERED COUNTRY, the rest of the empire collapses.
hammerofglass wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 8:04 pm
My favorite recent "no sense of scale" example is that the entire Federation-sized Romulan Star Empire (minus Romulus) resettled on Vulcan during the Discovery time jump and they're a minority group. That would be like the entire US minus Philadelphia moving to one UK city.
Romulus did get destroyed. Who knows how many Romulans survived it. And maybe not all Romulans settled back on Vulcan anyway.
We also don't know if it was not just Romulus and not the heart of their empire and most of their major populated worlds. They had been effectively reduced to rump status by the time of Picard. We also don't know how many Romulans were killed in the Burn.
Forgot about the Burn. That storyline always annoyed me. Everyone was still using dilithium even a thousand years later? No exotic FTL drive by then? No temporal quantum subspace folding wormhole Uber drive?
McAvoy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 8:17 pmRomulus did get destroyed. Who knows how many Romulans survived it. And maybe not all Romulans settled back on Vulcan anyway.
Talking about sense of scale is also somehow Klingons and Romulans having huge territories on par or even if smaller than the Federation and having the population to hold it. They would really need very a large population to do that. Otherwise they would stretched real thin.
Not all Romulans have settled on Vulcan I'm sure but enough that it is a represented ethnic minority.
But it seems that in Star Trek, there's a homeworld were for people but no settled planets that ever seem to equal the homeworlds of a planet. So the Klingon Empire has Kronos as the capital and economic center of the Klingon Empire with lots of smaller settlements but if you destroy Kronos, as we see in THE UNDISCOVERED COUNTRY, the rest of the empire collapses.
Could be like the Roman empire, when things goes wrong in the capital the whole thing goes down.
McAvoy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 8:17 pmRomulus did get destroyed. Who knows how many Romulans survived it. And maybe not all Romulans settled back on Vulcan anyway.
Talking about sense of scale is also somehow Klingons and Romulans having huge territories on par or even if smaller than the Federation and having the population to hold it. They would really need very a large population to do that. Otherwise they would stretched real thin.
Not all Romulans have settled on Vulcan I'm sure but enough that it is a represented ethnic minority.
But it seems that in Star Trek, there's a homeworld were for people but no settled planets that ever seem to equal the homeworlds of a planet. So the Klingon Empire has Kronos as the capital and economic center of the Klingon Empire with lots of smaller settlements but if you destroy Kronos, as we see in THE UNDISCOVERED COUNTRY, the rest of the empire collapses.
It's more with a massive population loss, loss of general leadership, the main job provider, and the symbol of your empires power being wiped out, causes major problems for you. It was more a major loss to their homeworld that they couldn't solve that trying to fix would bankrupt them, and losing their world would be a sign of MAJOR weakness that subjugated worlds and the Romulans would LOVE to exploit.
Science Fiction is a genre where anything can happen. Just make sure what happens is enjoyable for yourself and your audience.
hammerofglass wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 8:04 pm
My favorite recent "no sense of scale" example is that the entire Federation-sized Romulan Star Empire (minus Romulus) resettled on Vulcan during the Discovery time jump and they're a minority group. That would be like the entire US minus Philadelphia moving to one UK city.
Romulus did get destroyed. Who knows how many Romulans survived it. And maybe not all Romulans settled back on Vulcan anyway.
We also don't know if it was not just Romulus and not the heart of their empire and most of their major populated worlds. They had been effectively reduced to rump status by the time of Picard. We also don't know how many Romulans were killed in the Burn.
Forgot about the Burn. That storyline always annoyed me. Everyone was still using dilithium even a thousand years later? No exotic FTL drive by then? No temporal quantum subspace folding wormhole Uber drive?
McAvoy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 4:02 am
Forgot about the Burn. That storyline always annoyed me. Everyone was still using dilithium even a thousand years later? No exotic FTL drive by then? No temporal quantum subspace folding wormhole Uber drive?
I mean, it wouldn't be recognizable as Star Trek then would it?
hammerofglass wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 8:04 pm
My favorite recent "no sense of scale" example is that the entire Federation-sized Romulan Star Empire (minus Romulus) resettled on Vulcan during the Discovery time jump and they're a minority group. That would be like the entire US minus Philadelphia moving to one UK city.
Romulus did get destroyed. Who knows how many Romulans survived it. And maybe not all Romulans settled back on Vulcan anyway.
We also don't know if it was not just Romulus and not the heart of their empire and most of their major populated worlds. They had been effectively reduced to rump status by the time of Picard. We also don't know how many Romulans were killed in the Burn.
Forgot about the Burn. That storyline always annoyed me. Everyone was still using dilithium even a thousand years later? No exotic FTL drive by then? No temporal quantum subspace folding wormhole Uber drive?
Everyone still uses wheels now.
No one uses wood burning boilers anymore either to move their trains. No one uses paddle wheels to move their ships across the ocean. No one uses coal to fire up their boilers to move a ship either. No one uses horses to move messages in between towns. No one uses radial engines for planes. No one uses vacuum tubes for electronics. No one uses strictly stone to build bridges anymore.
McAvoy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 31, 2022 9:50 pm
No one uses wood burning boilers anymore either to move their trains. No one uses paddle wheels to move their ships across the ocean. No one uses coal to fire up their boilers to move a ship either. No one uses horses to move messages in between towns. No one uses radial engines for planes. No one uses vacuum tubes for electronics. No one uses strictly stone to build bridges anymore.
And yet steam is still what propels turbines. Nuclear or water or coalwise.
McAvoy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 31, 2022 9:50 pm
No one uses wood burning boilers anymore either to move their trains. No one uses paddle wheels to move their ships across the ocean. No one uses coal to fire up their boilers to move a ship either. No one uses horses to move messages in between towns. No one uses radial engines for planes. No one uses vacuum tubes for electronics. No one uses strictly stone to build bridges anymore.
And yet steam is still what propels turbines. Nuclear or water or coalwise.
Fun fact. Most warships use gas turbine engines now. Not steam turbines. No need for boilers or a reactor to super heat water to steam. Dams use water to spin turbines, not steam.
Nevermind the many types of fuel that was used to power those steam boilers. Calling it just oil would be a oversimplification of it. The difference between WW1 or WW2 or other post war fuel that was used.
