Star Trek: Picard Season 2

[Frustration]

Compare the writing in the very best episode of Picard - whichever one you think that is - with the very worst episode of TNG - whichever one you think that is.

Most of the worst episodes of TNG were still unquestionably better than this. Possibly all of them.

[Al-1701]

It would just attract the other end of the metal.

*facepalm*

No, it would just attract the metal.

If you want to remove the fun of the atomic processes that go into magnetic attraction.

[McAvoy]

Cool story bro. How about what is wrong with you? You offended that someone doesn't agree with your criticisms?

Have you noticed that I don't attack people for liking the show? Because I don't care what people enjoy or not. I only question the way the show is written and respond when feel I wasn't clear enough. In fact, you're the one that keeps having some issue with what I criticize.

Let me see. Twice I have said something about what you have said. Your style of episode breakdown. Which I said you can do that to any episode in all of Trek. If you are going to look for something to criticise, you will find it.

Second, I mention of all things to criticise, you are doing the main character in danger trope. This goes back to you finding something to criticize.

What I see from you when you post something like Picard being in danger is that you are looking for something to complain about. Your episode breakdowns are nothing but complaints.

I mean... if the show is shit... you want me to lie by saying that it's OK (which BTW is a lie) and not complain? Or what, shut up? Why? Is it illegal? How? I see bad writing, I speak about bad writing. If the show is a continuous stream of shitty writing, I will write as much as I see fit.

Lies? Who is lying here? Since when can you lie about opinions? Or you think you are calling your opinions facts now?

By all means continue to write about your opinions. I got my own. And you woukd be surprised how I feel about DiscoTrek.

It's called a trope for a reason. Even Chuck has mentioned it in his reviews before. It has been done in countless TV shows, in countless episodes and will keep doing it.

The point of this trope is not to trick you into thinking they will kill off the character. If someone actually believes that is the writer's intent has no clue. The trope is a framing device and it always has been. At the basics, that a child even would understand after watching Saturday cartoons or reading comics is that it is how will the hero get himself out of that situation.

You know what else is a trope? Fridging, which Picard did it last season and it was pathetic. Bond Villain Stupidity, which was also done in the previous season (when Narek tried to kill Soji) and it was laughable. Comic Book Death? Literally what happened to Picard in the S1 finale. These are tropes. But they're bad tropes. Why? Because they're lazy. The writers don't have to spend any effort on writing anything more complex and instead they just throw in generic lines and story, because they can't be arsed to write anything better. Just because TV shows keep doing bad tropes, doesn't mean they aren't bad. If anything it indicates nothing but the show is creatively bankrupt

And the whole Picard is in danger contributed to literally nothing, so why the fuck did the writers kept it? I'll tell you why, because they think the audience are a bunch of morons that will gobble anything. And sadly, sometimes they're right.

Good luck finding a show that has no tropes.

I have stated before I felt Picard dying was pointless just to give him a android body that looks identical to his original.

You call it lazy writing because that is what you are looking for. That's it. I don't have a problem. But maybe you do.

Ad hominem much? And yes you have a problem. You are bothered by the fact that I complain. I write short texts, you get bothered. I write long texts, you're still bothered. You don't want to read them, fine, I'm not forcing you. I'm not looking here for people to agree or disagree with my points. I post stuff because I feel I want to post. I feel like there's a lot to complain, I will post about it. Seems like you are looking for excuses to complain, about my complaining, thinking you're gonna achieve something.

Where am I bothered? Where does it show I am bothered by what you do.

Seems like you are the one. Again, I remarked that your method of episode breakdown shows where your mindset is. Your method of episode breakdowns can be done to any episodes of Trek. Really not that hard to do.

I could do an identical style of episode breakdown on for example of Yesterday's Enterprise.

Then I talked about one of your criticisms was an old trope that has been around for as long as there has been TV. It was you who took offense to what I said.

Maybe you should take your own advice. If you are bothered by what I say about how you do episode breakdowns, fien don't read them. Don't respond back. Not that hard.

Notice how I never bothered to respond to every single one of your criticisms in any single episode of either show? Two remarks and here we are.

[Mabus]

Notice how I never bothered to respond to every single one of your criticisms in any single episode of either show? Two remarks and here we are.

That's because you have a problem in general with how I view the show. You have an issue with the fact that I don't like the show, and how I "complain" all the time, like that's supposed to be a bad thing apparently. That's your issue. In my replies I merely try to clarify my issues with the show, because I saw that you said something completely false about my position and I'm not gonna let that slide just because you seem to follow the logic of "I came up with it, therefore it must be correct". No, if you make a false or nonsensical statement about my position, expect to get a reply. Don't complain that I do that.

So spare me your tu quoque crap you just posted, maybe if you stopped strawmanning and twisting my arguments from the beginning I might see things differently. I mean, really? If I said that a show should avoid using lazy tropes then in your mind what I said was the show shouldn't use tropes at all? Really? Don't you realize how stupid that sounds? Don't even bother to say otherwise, you're strawmanning my points because you can't defend your position with actual arguments, because any "arguments" you come up are crap.

So I'm just gonna end this charade with a quote from Chuck since it seems very fitting every time someone debates in bad faith:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPBtH-5_dOA

[McAvoy]

Notice how I never bothered to respond to every single one of your criticisms in any single episode of either show? Two remarks and here we are.

That's because you have a problem in general with how I view the show. You have an issue with the fact that I don't like the show, and how I "complain" all the time, like that's supposed to be a bad thing apparently. That's your issue. In my replies I merely try to clarify my issues with the show, because I saw that you said something completely false about my position and I'm not gonna let that slide just because you seem to follow the logic of "I came up with it, therefore it must be correct". No, if you make a false or nonsensical statement about my position, expect to get a reply. Don't complain that I do that.

So spare me your tu quoque crap you just posted, maybe if you stopped strawmanning and twisting my arguments from the beginning I might see things differently. I mean, really? If I said that a show should avoid using lazy tropes then in your mind what I said was the show shouldn't use tropes at all? Really? Don't you realize how stupid that sounds? Don't even bother to say otherwise, you're strawmanning my points because you can't defend your position with actual arguments, because any "arguments" you come up are crap.

So I'm just gonna end this charade with a quote from Chuck since it seems very fitting every time someone debates in bad faith:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPBtH-5_dOA

You know it's funny. I have alot of problems with nuTrek. And I have debated with other Trek fans for nearly 30 years on the internet when new Trek shows pop up. So spare me.

First off I will repeat myself yet again. I responded twice directly one about your style of episode breakdown and second to point out you were complaining about a TV trope.

It is you who reacted badly. As in heaven forbid, someone actually disagrees with you. Someone actually pointing something out bothers you.

Not bothering with the rest of what you are saying because it's not worth it. You want to criticize? Go for it. Don't get bothered when someone actually points something out in 'your arguments' or 'your critcisms'.

[McAvoy]

McAvoy wrote: ↑Mabus,

I think for the rule of thumb for you is that you are not exactly biased to Discovery.

The breakdowns you do really could be done to any Trek episode.

Are you just gonna throw blanket statements to appear like you've said something clever?

And no, my nitpicking can't be applied to every single Trek episode, since most aren't stupid every 5 minutes, even the really awful ones. I'd have to really force myself to come up with something most of the time.

Also, way back in season 1 they specifically mentioned that the mycelial network expands throughout the entire universe and beyond. And yet now, because the plot demands so, the mycelial network ends at end of the galaxy. This is a perfect example of completely changing the plot to fit the story.

[Mabus]

You literally incapable but debating in bad faith, so I'm done with you. Go ahead, take everything you can out of context, strawman everything you can and then please act like a victim. No wait, you already do that. All because I refuse to like the show like others. Boo hoo. If the only way you can defend a show is by attacking others that don't, then there was nothing to defend in the first place.

[Al-1701]

You expend an awful out of energy not liking NuTrek and making sure everyone here knows how much you don't like NuTrek. You could just not watch. It would actually be more productive than watching and telling us how much you don't like it. Paramount logs your viewing minutes whether you liked it or not.

[McAvoy]

You literally incapable but debating in bad faith, so I'm done with you. Go ahead, take everything you can out of context, strawman everything you can and then please act like a victim. No wait, you already do that. All because I refuse to like the show like others. Boo hoo. If the only way you can defend a show is by attacking others that don't, then there was nothing to defend in the first place.

Where did I say you are supposed to like the show.

Who said I was defending the show? Where am I defending the show?

Where have I even suggested that I am liking or defending the two shows?

Is it because I said something counter to one criticism you had? One among many you have?

You are the one acting the victim here. I even posted the very first response to one of your episode breakdowns and your first response to it.

[Frustration]

So, how much philosophical questioning of Picard's new status has the shown done? Any pondering as to whether he's the same being as the Picard who died, or a different one? Any wondering whether he could be copied? Or whether he could, or should, be made functionally immortal?