BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 7:15 am
Where would we be as a society if we didn't?
Constantly apologizing for everything people do even though we don't agree with it, creating an environment where we can't actually communicate effectively because people are expected to prostrate themselves with guilt for something tangentially related to the thing they want to say.
If you're associated with an asshole, feel free to distance yourself. The problem is, many people will just say you're still an asshole because you ONCE associated with an asshole, and you're then forever considered a reprobate. These people are morons, but somehow twitter-rants and social media mobs have inexplicably gained a lot of power and attention these days.
But sorry for getting too heavy into a social commentary. My point is that the line of thinking that you're responsible for someone else's dumb statements is an insane argument. Apologies only have value if they reflect someone owning up to their own personal actions and expressing actual regret.
BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 7:15 am
Where would we be as a society if we didn't?
Constantly apologizing for everything people do even though we don't agree with it, creating an environment where we can't actually communicate effectively because people are expected to prostrate themselves with guilt for something tangentially related to the thing they want to say.
If you're associated with an asshole, feel free to distance yourself. The problem is, many people will just say you're still an asshole because you ONCE associated with an asshole, and you're then forever considered a reprobate. These people are morons, but somehow twitter-rants and social media mobs have inexplicably gained a lot of power and attention these days.
But sorry for getting too heavy into a social commentary. My point is that the line of thinking that you're responsible for someone else's dumb statements is an insane argument. Apologies only have value if they reflect someone owning up to their own personal actions and expressing actual regret.
bronnt wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 7:27 am
Constantly apologizing for everything people do even though we don't agree with it, creating an environment where we can't actually communicate effectively because people are expected to prostrate themselves with guilt for something tangentially related to the thing they want to say.
You see I would take BridgeConsoleMasher and Yukaphile's statements in a very different way.
If we see someone do something disreputable we might call them out and we might even reflect on the seeds of the bad behaviour in their character/behaviour that led them down the path that we share and we might want to constrain those thing in ourselves (avoid emulating them). This is what is usually called being ashamed of what someone did in my experience.
If we are in the same group as them we might be ashamed to be a member of the group (it sickens me to be on the same PTA as such a venal and corrupt person, who demeans us all etc.), worry about all we share in common with them if its that sort of group (one where members are very homogeneous in some respect or many respects) and so on...
Yours Truly,
Allan Olley
"It is with philosophy as with religion : men marvel at the absurdity of other people's tenets, while exactly parallel absurdities remain in their own." John Stuart Mill
I have no responsibility for the actions of shitty Star Wars fans even as a Star Wars fan. I do, however, think they wreck the tone of the place and disregard the message of the franchise. Like meeting a Star Trek fan who hates science.
Admiral X wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 5:18 amAre you seriously contending that Kirk in his underwear was not meant to titillate anyone?
Whether or not it is titillating doesn't fully satisfy the nature of the objectification.
Yeah it does. "Objectification" works both ways.
I said the nature of it. You're ironic quoting of objectification isn't very promising of your understanding of it in general.
It's fucking irrelevant. Have been doing it since the dawn of time and will keep doing it while there are 2 genders and even beyond. We have more chances to do than ever and sexual violence is is at historical low point.
Yukaphile wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 6:17 am
By toxic, he means hardcore racist and sexist right-wingers doing shit like editing Wookieepedia pages to paint poor Kelly Marie Tran as a dumb, drooling jungle retard with autism. Seriously, THEY DID THAT. We should all be ashamed. If their intent is to protest the corporatizing of Star Wars, or to bring back Legends, that's one thing. But that's crossing the line. It also doesn't help this isn't the first time, like when they made poor Jake Lloyd's life a living hell. Look what Mark Hamill had to say on the subject, and this is actually a guy who has issues with Last Jedi.
Slash Gallagher wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 8:41 am
It's fucking irrelevant. Have been doing it since the dawn of time and will keep doing it while there are 2 genders and even beyond. We have more chances to do than ever and sexual violence is is at historical low point.
Slash Gallagher wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 8:41 am
It's fucking irrelevant. Have been doing it since the dawn of time and will keep doing it while there are 2 genders and even beyond. We have more chances to do that than ever before and sexual violence is is at historical low point.
BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 4:28 amWell you should be skeptical about what trailers "claim," so to speak. Buzz for the movie was good as far as I can tell.
The trailers for Beyond were not an accurate representation of the film.
The first one most definitely wasn't. Beyond itself as a film is far superior than Into Darkness and arguably better than the first JJA film. For starters, Kirk's not an entitled douchebag all the time. The problem with it (Beyond, that is- I won't go into STID's problems here as it took Chuck nearly an hour)- is that, as many have said, it's just a 'monster of the week' film. It's the Insurrection of the reboot films- fun in its own way (and while others hated it, I still quite like Insurrection) but doesn't feel significant, like the 2009 film did with the destruction of Vulcan or even STID did with the introduction of Cumberkhan. Hell, even Nemesis felt significant with the death of Data. You could argue that Beyond has the destruction of the Enterprise in it, but so what? They built another one by the end of the film. It took a whole other film for Shatner's Kirk to get a new one. (highlight for spoilers).
