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Darth Wedgius wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 6:45 pm
I think someone who lets an assaulter get away with assault would have to be a lot more tolerant than the person committing the assault.
I think a person who puts someone in jail for throwing milk at someone is a piece of shit. We both have our opinions. Then again, I grew up in a harder nastier school environment. You learned to take your licks and move on.
You didn't whine like a baby when getting treated poorly by people who didn't like you. You learned stoicism. This is much much worse than whining.
Again, compare charging someone for assault vs. committing assault. It's hilarious how the woman committing assault has become the victim for having to face legal consequences.
Yes, how dare she splash milk on him! If he was lactose-intolerant, he might have DIED! D8
Throwing shoes, splashing milk, this is not on par with knives and cars and bombs.
I guess if a woman throws her drink at a creep in a bar she should be imprisoned for assault with a deadly weapon, huh? SO MUCH FOR THE TOLERANT LEFT!!1!
Again, compare charging someone for assault vs. committing assault. Maybe more slowly this time, and without the straw men.
Okay, I'll try harder to be objective.
I don't consider a splash of chocolate milk to be assault. If you poured your drink on me, I might curse you out, I might shout, I might run home crying, but I would never charge you with assault.
"Believe me, there’s nothing so terrible that someone won’t support it."
— Un Lun Dun, China Mieville
"Public nuisance" vs. "assault." Savagely beating the fuck out of someone with possible intent to sexually violate (you never know) vs. splashing milk. Again, I think "public nuisance" is the proper thing to charge her with. That would be worth a fine. But assault? No. And I don't want this guy to win in court because it's overly excessive. Like someone slashes your tires as a joke (a poor one), so you kill his dog and set his house on fire. Do you think that's right?
"A culture's teachings - and more importantly, the nature of its people - achieve definition in conflict. They find themselves, or find themselves lacking."
— Kreia, Knights of the Old Republic 2: The Sith Lords
Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 3:36 am
Okay, I'll try harder to be objective.
I don't consider a splash of chocolate milk to be assault. If you poured your drink on me, I might curse you out, I might shout, I might run home crying, but I would never charge you with assault.
That's fairly said, but it's not my point. She attacked him physically. He pressed charges against her. You might consider what he did to be a shitty thing to do, but in what universe is pressing charges worse than a physical attack, even a very minor one? Especially when the attack was repeated.
I hear not one mention from the left in this thread about how maybe she shouldn't have done that or how she should have respected his right to his political opinion. It's all about how terrible it was that she should have to face legal consequences.
It's perhaps the kind of bias that's hard to perceive by someone immersed in it.
Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 3:36 am
Okay, I'll try harder to be objective.
I don't consider a splash of chocolate milk to be assault. If you poured your drink on me, I might curse you out, I might shout, I might run home crying, but I would never charge you with assault.
That's fairly said, but it's not my point. She attacked him physically. He pressed charges against her. You might consider what he did to be a shitty thing to do, but in what universe is pressing charges worse than a physical attack, even a very minor one? Especially when the attack was repeated.
I hear not one mention from the left in this thread about how maybe she shouldn't have done that or how she should have respected his right to his political opinion. It's all about how terrible it was that she should have to face legal consequences.
It's perhaps the kind of bias that's hard to perceive by someone immersed in it.
Going back again, I don't consider liquid a physical attack unless it's fucking acid. This is on par with throwing rotten tomatoes at a bad performer on stage.
Pressing charges can be a form of violence. To suggest otherwise is to betray either moral myopia or a naive degree of trust in the rightness of our criminal justice system.
Pressing criminal charges against somebody who splashed a beverage on you is an undeniable escalation.
"Believe me, there’s nothing so terrible that someone won’t support it."
— Un Lun Dun, China Mieville
And lol at the acid comment. I literally brought that up that same argument to a friend of mine.
"A culture's teachings - and more importantly, the nature of its people - achieve definition in conflict. They find themselves, or find themselves lacking."
— Kreia, Knights of the Old Republic 2: The Sith Lords
Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 3:36 am
Okay, I'll try harder to be objective.
I don't consider a splash of chocolate milk to be assault. If you poured your drink on me, I might curse you out, I might shout, I might run home crying, but I would never charge you with assault.
That's fairly said, but it's not my point. She attacked him physically. He pressed charges against her. You might consider what he did to be a shitty thing to do, but in what universe is pressing charges worse than a physical attack, even a very minor one? Especially when the attack was repeated.
I hear not one mention from the left in this thread about how maybe she shouldn't have done that or how she should have respected his right to his political opinion. It's all about how terrible it was that she should have to face legal consequences.
It's perhaps the kind of bias that's hard to perceive by someone immersed in it.
Going back again, I don't consider liquid a physical attack unless it's fucking acid. This is on par with throwing rotten tomatoes at a bad performer on stage.
Pressing charges can be a form of violence. To suggest otherwise is to betray either moral myopia or a naive degree of trust in the rightness of our criminal justice system.
Pressing criminal charges against somebody who splashed a beverage on you is an undeniable escalation.
When throwing something physical in an attack isn't a physical attack, and pressing charges for said attack is violence, I think we've reached the agree-to-disagree point.
Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 4:28 am
Going back again, I don't consider liquid a physical attack unless it's fucking acid. This is on par with throwing rotten tomatoes at a bad performer on stage.
And notice you generally don't actually see that outside of fiction, because that, too, would be considered assault.
Pressing charges can be a form of violence.
Just like the claim that speech can be considered violence, this is laughable.
Pressing criminal charges against somebody who splashed a beverage on you is an undeniable escalation.
It is the right of someone who is assaulted to press charges, whether you like them and think they deserved it or not - and that's really what this comes down to. Flip their roles around, and I bet you'd feel a lot differently, and considering the result of this is probably going to be a slap on the wrist anyway, you'd probably be complaining about the Republican getting off too light.
"Black care rarely sits behind a rider whose pace is fast enough."
-TR
My sole complaint is that the legal terminology is stupid. I see assault as forced sexual penetration or beating someone up with your fists and feet. Other than that, this is a public nuisance, plain and simple. It deserves a fine, not denying that. But assault is stupid. It's very poorly worded.
"A culture's teachings - and more importantly, the nature of its people - achieve definition in conflict. They find themselves, or find themselves lacking."
— Kreia, Knights of the Old Republic 2: The Sith Lords