Trump moves to deport Vietnam war refugees

[Antiboyscout]

It also could just be that he really genuinely does believe in stopping immigration.

That he does have a principle.

The principle of being a racist nativist asshole.

The nation state is the best way to organize a country. A government that has more loyalty and or prioritizes other nations or people above the ones they govern is not just bad but is out right abusive.

I feel this is a bit of a red herring to both vindicate Trump and admonish Democrats.

If charles is going to spit out nativist like it's a four letter word then I'm going to push back.

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

Trump's definition of criminal has been very flexible.

Sending people back who have served their time, for example.

Committing certain crimes is grounds for deportation after your sentence is complete. Serving your sentence does not erase a crime from your record.

...what the fuck dude?

[CharlesPhipps]

Except the decision to do that is being made law, not that it is the law now.

[CharlesPhipps]

If charles is going to spit out nativist like it's a four letter word then I'm going to push back.

Go ahead man. Part of the craziness about Trump's immigration policies are they're designed to push back and throw out people who are in the country illegally. He's not removed (or capable of removing at present) the laws against asylum seekers.

So he's been targeting people in the country....legally.

Crossing over often being a misdemeanor.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

It also could just be that he really genuinely does believe in stopping immigration.

That he does have a principle.

The principle of being a racist nativist asshole.

The nation state is the best way to organize a country. A government that has more loyalty and or prioritizes other nations or people above the ones they govern is not just bad but is out right abusive.

I feel this is a bit of a red herring to both vindicate Trump and admonish Democrats.

If charles is going to spit out nativist like it's a four letter word then I'm going to push back.

Yeah that's what I was responding to.

[G-Man]

Trump's definition of criminal has been very flexible.

Sending people back who have served their time, for example.

Committing certain crimes is grounds for deportation after your sentence is complete. Serving your sentence does not erase a crime from your record.

...what the fuck dude?

You know how convicted felons lose the right to own guns? Committing certain crimes can revoke your permission to stay in the country. That does not mean that you have a choice of "Serve your time or get deported" it often means "serve your time, and after you are done, get deported."

Except the decision to do that is being made law, not that it is the law now.

Assuming you are referring to what I just said, it most certainly is the standard law now. It's just that in many cases the government does not bother to enforce it, or the states do not notify the federal government and the guy is released before the feds can get there, or the countries refuse to take their people back. Not deporting, e.g., a non-citizen murderer is not standard procedure, it is something unusual that happens with Vietnam because of the 2008 agreement. If the agreement expires, Trump will simply be treating the Vietnamese under the same system as everyone else (asylum and refugee laws will still apply, etc.)

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

I get that 1995 marked the date for restored relations between US and Vietnam since the conflict, but that seems to be a peculiar date to correlate to refugees fleeing from a conflict that ended in 1975. So the US continued to give asylum to Vietnamese citizens, and the ones up to 1995 were grandfathered in?

Also, according to the Vietnam Embassy, it doesn't seem like Trump's reinterpretation will necessarily work.

[LittleRaven]

Trump? Misunderstand how laws work?

Surely you jest.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

More on the administration's efforts (and about immigrants from 1975-present):

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... SKBN1HJ0OU

Trump? Misunderstand how laws work?

Surely you jest.

I know I know

[G-Man]

I get that 1995 marked the date for restored relations between US and Vietnam since the conflict, but that seems to be a peculiar date to correlate to refugees fleeing from a conflict that ended in 1975. So the US continued to give asylum to Vietnamese citizens, and the ones up to 1995 were grandfathered in?

Also, according to the Vietnam Embassy, it doesn't seem like Trump's reinterpretation will necessarily work.

Next year, it doesn't matter whether his reinterpretation works - the agreement needs to be renewed to be effective beyond 2018, and Trump has decided to let it expire.

Also, according to the article to which you linked (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... SKBN1HJ0OU) only about 8600 Vietnamese nationals are subject to deportation (90% of whom have criminal convictions). Presumably not all of them came here prior to 1995. The total number of Vietnamese who settled in the US between 1975 and 1995 is at least 125,000 (the number who came in the spring of 1975). So this is not about a specific subset of Vietnamese, not about revoking the legal status of Vietnamese refugees en masse.