Star Trek: Discovery - Season Four

[Captain Crimson]

One of my biggest gripes in society now, is that you just can't find good science-fiction anymore, with a few exceptions, OFC, and I think for some older fans or younger fans, ST is the avatar to that. There's clearly enjoyment and entertainment value to be found, but the details more often than not resemble the looser fantasy or superhero elements Hollywood strives for, easy to write for and access, with broad appeal. In other words, it's a magic to get things done and move the plot forward, not an atmospheric universe with rules to it that need to be followed, to be respected.

I guess it isn't entirely surprising given the rise of the MCU, the HP movies, and the "return" of SW, as well as TV shows like GOT, so that that's what the model is, and I'll be first to admit I loved the HP books and movies when I was growing up, there's tons to love in DSWC in their proximity to the storylines they have lifted, the MCU is critically and financially successful, and IMO, Thanos knocked it out of the park, but... you know, at the same time, this isn't for the crowd for genuine science-fiction. Consolidation and monopolization goes against all that smart science-fiction debates against, and that's where the real big flaw in the studios originate.

They should have just stuck with the reboot for ST. I know it had its flaws, but that continuity really is gonna be impossible to maintain with the progression of time, and these aren't artists struck by inspiration, just people in boardrooms that have dollar signs in their eyes. Or, if they were going to ditch the rebooted movieverse, then just reboot the TV verse. That's honestly what my impression was with STD S1. It's shaped itself around, most certainly, but that foundation is even more detached to the past than ENT was at its start. Yes, you'd get some fan backlash, but then you have more room to maneuver, and reshape the mythos into what you want without shading the older material by its inclusion.

[Deledrius]

Alright fella but tell me this, what if we always had a show going on like Discovery that was just back studio kind of story but just did it pretty well?

Can you explain what you mean? I don't know what a "back studio kind of story" is.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

Alright fella but tell me this, what if we always had a show going on like Discovery that was just back studio kind of story but just did it pretty well?

Can you explain what you mean? I don't know what a "back studio kind of story" is.

Instead of making a show with its own major catastrophe story while fitting in a small pocket of canon time, make the story wrap around that small pocket more wittingly. Going for more Trials and Tribblelations instead of Trek '09 but in prime universe.

[Deledrius]

It could work.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

I have an idea. A show about a cloaked federation ship. You could easily set that amidst the Enterprise on one of their own missions. Literally any already established character could be on the joke, and it doesn't necessarily have to be about S31.

[Makeshift Python]

One of my biggest gripes in society now, is that you just can't find good science-fiction anymore

It's an old sentiment snobs like to say during the present time, regardless of when. Back in the 60s TOS was regarded as "not real science fiction" by such snobs. Many years later it's a "science fiction classic", because enough time has passed for Trek to not be something new to dismiss, especially since there was the upcoming TNG right there to be dismissive about. "That will never be as good as the original".

It's sort of the opposite of "recency bias". Instead of only being attracted to newer and trendy things, you're looking for older stuff and claiming "they don't make em like they used to", decrying all the new stuff. Hell, I've seen ENTERPRISE being BOTH a pariah and then become "the last time Trek was good", and I don't mean just Season 4.

[Thebestoftherest]

One of my biggest gripes in society now, is that you just can't find good science-fiction anymore

It's an old sentiment snobs like to say during the present time, regardless of when. Back in the 60s TOS was regarded as "not real science fiction" by such snobs. Many years later it's a "science fiction classic", because enough time has passed for Trek to not be something new to dismiss, especially since there was the upcoming TNG right there to be dismissive about. "That will never be as good as the original".

It's sort of the opposite of "recency bias". Instead of only being attracted to newer and trendy things, you're looking for older stuff and claiming "they don't make em like they used to", decrying all the new stuff. Hell, I've seen ENTERPRISE being BOTH a pariah and then become "the last time Trek was good", and I don't mean just Season 4.

Yes but there is nothing wrong with liking things because their different to what it is like now.

[Deledrius]

Hell, I've seen ENTERPRISE being BOTH a pariah and then become "the last time Trek was good", and I don't mean just Season 4.

Same here. And my own perspective on it has changed. It's still not a good show, but there are elements where I can say "they tried" (and miserably failed) are better than some aspects in the modern show where I wish they'd even thought about trying.

Each new thing can legitimately be "the worst thing yet" without hyperbole or hypocrisy. I don't personally feel that way (not entirely), but it's still valid.

[McAvoy]

Hell, I've seen ENTERPRISE being BOTH a pariah and then become "the last time Trek was good", and I don't mean just Season 4.

Same here. And my own perspective on it has changed. It's still not a good show, but there are elements where I can say "they tried" (and miserably failed) are better than some aspects in the modern show where I wish they'd even thought about trying.

Each new thing can legitimately be "the worst thing yet" without hyperbole or hypocrisy. I don't personally feel that way (not entirely), but it's still valid.

My view on Enterprise is roughly the same as it was nearly 20 years ago.

On a side note, the way we are progressing in CGI even in the commercial products, it wouldn't surprise me that some fan or group of fans redo TOS. Like keep the actors, but everything is digitally redone with 'modern' asthetics.

[clearspira]

Hell, I've seen ENTERPRISE being BOTH a pariah and then become "the last time Trek was good", and I don't mean just Season 4.

Same here. And my own perspective on it has changed. It's still not a good show, but there are elements where I can say "they tried" (and miserably failed) are better than some aspects in the modern show where I wish they'd even thought about trying.

Each new thing can legitimately be "the worst thing yet" without hyperbole or hypocrisy. I don't personally feel that way (not entirely), but it's still valid.

My view on Enterprise is roughly the same as it was nearly 20 years ago.

On a side note, the way we are progressing in CGI even in the commercial products, it wouldn't surprise me that some fan or group of fans redo TOS. Like keep the actors, but everything is digitally redone with 'modern' asthetics.

If some fan did that, CBS would shut them down in a heartbeat.