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Re: Barbie Movie

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Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: Mon Aug 28, 2023 11:41 pm
clearspira wrote: Mon Aug 28, 2023 3:41 pm The decent moderate people who happen to be divided by politics have far more shared ground than it may seem, I bet most of us could share a pint together, happily discuss our differences and come away having learned something about each other. Its the shock jocks who make money based on flame bait who are stoking most of the tensions.
Are you including front-runner politicians in the list of shock jocks? Because I can't speak for the UK, but here in the USA we don't really have a moderate right. We have a "left wing" part that's the closer to moderate right than proper leftism, and a right-wing party of unapologetic white nationalist Christo-Fascists. For somebody who's normally so misanthropic and gloomy, you seem to have a remarkable amount of faith in some kind of moderate middle ground.

Thank you for conceding the earlier point though.
You make a good point. I think this is where the confusion regarding a lot of my views come from. UK Right is basically US Left. To be Right here is still to be against guns, to be pro-abortion, pro-socialised healthcare, pro-LGBT, pro-climate change. Religion in our politics is accepted but also frowned upon in that you can be whatever you want, but making it known that it is influencing your decision making is literal death for your career. A few years back the leader of the Liberal Democrats made it known that ''as a Christian'' he doesn't beleive in homosexuality, and he was RUN OUT.

You have to approach UK Far Right to match the average US Right. One of the issues we have in this country right now is that the dividing line between Left and Right is so narrow that Labour and the Tories are basically the same on most issues. Its more a question of ''degrees in execution''. The Tories for example will go 80 degrees on Brexit whereas Labour will only go 40 - they're both (officially at least) pro-Brexit parties.

I have to add that nowadays in the UK, we don't really vote so much in terms of Left and Right. The big one right now is easily nationalism - Brexit, Scottish Independence, Welsh Independence, the Irish issue, immigration. And its shaky on what side of the political fence you fall with those things.
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clearspira wrote: Wed Aug 30, 2023 9:13 am
Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: Mon Aug 28, 2023 11:41 pm
clearspira wrote: Mon Aug 28, 2023 3:41 pm The decent moderate people who happen to be divided by politics have far more shared ground than it may seem, I bet most of us could share a pint together, happily discuss our differences and come away having learned something about each other. Its the shock jocks who make money based on flame bait who are stoking most of the tensions.
Are you including front-runner politicians in the list of shock jocks? Because I can't speak for the UK, but here in the USA we don't really have a moderate right. We have a "left wing" part that's the closer to moderate right than proper leftism, and a right-wing party of unapologetic white nationalist Christo-Fascists. For somebody who's normally so misanthropic and gloomy, you seem to have a remarkable amount of faith in some kind of moderate middle ground.

Thank you for conceding the earlier point though.
You make a good point. I think this is where the confusion regarding a lot of my views come from. UK Right is basically US Left. To be Right here is still to be against guns, to be pro-abortion, pro-socialised healthcare, pro-LGBT, pro-climate change. Religion in our politics is accepted but also frowned upon in that you can be whatever you want, but making it known that it is influencing your decision making is literal death for your career. A few years back the leader of the Liberal Democrats made it known that ''as a Christian'' he doesn't beleive in homosexuality, and he was RUN OUT.

You have to approach UK Far Right to match the average US Right. One of the issues we have in this country right now is that the dividing line between Left and Right is so narrow that Labour and the Tories are basically the same on most issues. Its more a question of ''degrees in execution''. The Tories for example will go 80 degrees on Brexit whereas Labour will only go 40 - they're both (officially at least) pro-Brexit parties.

I have to add that nowadays in the UK, we don't really vote so much in terms of Left and Right. The big one right now is easily nationalism - Brexit, Scottish Independence, Welsh Independence, the Irish issue, immigration. And its shaky on what side of the political fence you fall with those things.
Reminds me of a video I saw on "The UK's Fox News" (GB News) and how they couldn't seem to make it work.


youtu.be/auNQIUsaxlQ
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