Remember how the Mainstream Media said they won't be coming for Jefferson and Washington Next?

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Re: Remember how the Mainstream Media said they won't be coming for Jefferson and Washington Next?

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No, it doesn't. You just need enough racists in power to have more influence than the people who are actively fighting against racism, and enough systems started by racists to uphold racist power, and will you please read a Book about this.
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Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: Sat Jul 11, 2020 5:25 am No, it doesn't. You just need enough racists in power to have more influence than the people who are actively fighting against racism, and enough systems started by racists to uphold racist power, and will you please read a Book about this.
then why does every place I know of define racism as the belief that one race is better then the others and nothing about power?

again, I don't see organizations, or skin color, skin color is real but "race" is just a social construct, like gender vs biological sex.
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Read a book. Get some new thoughts in your head instead of constantly reheating the old ones. I am so, so tired of this.
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Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: Sat Jul 11, 2020 6:20 am Read a book. Get some new thoughts in your head instead of constantly reheating the old ones. I am so, so tired of this.
I think something powerful about reading a book too is that you get to sit down with someone else's voice and just listen, rather than jumping up to rebut them, or googling something, or watching some idiot Youtube shit about it. You can flip back and reference it later, but in the process of reading, you immerse yourself in their point of view. It gives you some actual empathy for how they think.

(And before someone jumps in and says "you should do that with right wingers" I've read books by Coulter, Beck, Goldwater, Rand, Hayek, and Hitler, among plenty others)
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GreyICE wrote: Sat Jul 11, 2020 5:20 pm
Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: Sat Jul 11, 2020 6:20 am Read a book. Get some new thoughts in your head instead of constantly reheating the old ones. I am so, so tired of this.
I think something powerful about reading a book too is that you get to sit down with someone else's voice and just listen, rather than jumping up to rebut them, or googling something, or watching some idiot Youtube shit about it. You can flip back and reference it later, but in the process of reading, you immerse yourself in their point of view. It gives you some actual empathy for how they think.

(And before someone jumps in and says "you should do that with right wingers" I've read books by Coulter, Beck, Goldwater, Rand, Hayek, and Hitler, among plenty others)
I did have a conversation someone of color who softened my opposition to social justice stuff but it didn't make me do a complete 180, partly because that person is an anti-SJW too, at least on the feminism side of things. and please lean the difference between anti-SJWs who agree with the cause but not the extremes and the ones who are all "ah, the Ghostbusters have vaginas now!" I like laughing at the latter as much as anyone and for the same reasons.
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The idea that only whites can be racist is just NPCs trying to justify their own racism. It's not a question of what racism really means, because it doesn't really mean anything. There's no objective definition of a word. I chose a definition that discourages bigotry instead of excusing it.
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Dragon Ball Fan wrote: Sat Jul 11, 2020 5:32 pm
GreyICE wrote: Sat Jul 11, 2020 5:20 pm
Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: Sat Jul 11, 2020 6:20 am Read a book. Get some new thoughts in your head instead of constantly reheating the old ones. I am so, so tired of this.
I think something powerful about reading a book too is that you get to sit down with someone else's voice and just listen, rather than jumping up to rebut them, or googling something, or watching some idiot Youtube shit about it. You can flip back and reference it later, but in the process of reading, you immerse yourself in their point of view. It gives you some actual empathy for how they think.

(And before someone jumps in and says "you should do that with right wingers" I've read books by Coulter, Beck, Goldwater, Rand, Hayek, and Hitler, among plenty others)
I did have a conversation someone of color who softened my opposition to social justice stuff but it didn't make me do a complete 180, partly because that person is an anti-SJW too, at least on the feminism side of things. and please lean the difference between anti-SJWs who agree with the cause but not the extremes and the ones who are all "ah, the Ghostbusters have vaginas now!" I like laughing at the latter as much as anyone and for the same reasons.
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Darth Wedgius wrote: Sat Jul 11, 2020 6:26 pm The idea that only whites can be racist is just NPCs trying to justify their own racism. It's not a question of what racism really means, because it doesn't really mean anything. There's no objective definition of a word. I chose a definition that discourages bigotry instead of excusing it.
At some point you realize someone has been playing video games so long they don’t know how to talk to real people.

This explains a lot here.
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If we're reading books, I'll get the Merriam-Webster:

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racism
racism - noun

rac·​ism | \ ˈrā-ˌsi-zəm also -ˌshi- \

Definition of racism
1: a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2a: a doctrine or political program based on the assumption of racism and designed to execute its principles
2b: a political or social system founded on racism
3: racial prejudice or discrimination
Most of us are using #1 and/or #3.
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Since everyone likes YouTube videos, a historian has a good one about the Lost Cause Myth here:


youtu.be/5EOhXF5lNgQ

I found it interesting, balanced, and generally well-researched.
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