Kennedy to retire.

[Karha of Honor]

Sure is a shame the Democratic Party can't get it's shit together and be a proper opposition.

Democrats could be better, but for me the big shame is Republicans gaining a majority control that they don't really represent through gerrymanders and electoral college nonsense.

All of these things need fixing (and more). It's not that any one of them is necessarily a deal-breaker, it's that the whole pile of them create a system which is increasingly non-functional, and it's picking up steam like an avalanche...

Hmm, I'm not sure that mixed-metaphor works, but you get the idea.

If Democrats are truly the majority based who they select to lead them in the arena of culture and politics considering how dominant they are culturally and how they treat the outgroups....

Shit would go to hell way faster with a one adult one vote systelm. The Big Dick Motherfucker of all power overeaches would lead to the Godzilla of all Backlashes.

Sure is a shame the Democratic Party can't get it's shit together and be a proper opposition.

Nobody forced them to overdose on identity politikcs and see Nazis under every bush.

Or maybe American politics could be conducted on a level playing field.

I douhbt you would have had the current gay rights regime as quickly and many other progressive gains if everyone would vote.

Where did I say that?

By a level playing field I mean the following

1, no more gerrymandering.

2. Stop restricting the rights of people to vote.

3. Limit how much a person can donate to a political candidate.

1. Okay.

2. How is it restricted?

3. No one expected Trump and he barely spent money. It might fix itself.

They had no equivvalent of an obscure ideology like feminism pushed by an entrenched press elite.

Feminism is an obscure ideology, well that's a new and interesting viewpoint and by a new and interesting I mean completely ridiculous.

Why would you think that?

Don't be quite so sure. In 2010, the Reps were leading about 9 or 10 points. Now the Dems are leading about 6. The wave depends on which way the undecideds break, which, given how well the economy is going, probably depends most on the president.

The Tea Party managed not to murder itself over Foreign Policy divisions.

Saying a latino character on a silly superhero tv show sucks gets you branded a racist. Dito if you dislike a movie about fucking space wizards. They had no equivvalent of an obscure ideology like feminism pushed by an entrenched press elite.

What does that have to do with the numbers game I'm playing?

What numbers are you playing?

Saying a latino character on a silly superhero tv show sucks gets you branded a racist. Dito if you dislike a movie about fucking space wizards. They had no equivvalent of an obscure ideology like feminism pushed by an entrenched press elite.

I don't know what you thought you were saying here. This is nonsense.

It will make sense. Just wait.

[Yukaphile]

@Admiral X Identity politics, really? You sound like a Sanders voter. Sandernistas and the far-left Socialist brats want us to abandon identity politics and focus on economics for white people, basically. And they are going to alienate those in the middle. There are legitimate reasons for a working class woman to want to vote to protect her right to abort a baby she doesn't want. For women, that's as much of an economic right even if their gender is the one to bear the brunt of unwanted pregnancies. Not by abstaining from sex like the far righters want, but by protecting choice. Or for a black person to want to vote to protect their communities from police outreach that overwhelmingly hurts minorities more than white people (not to say that it doesn't hurt white people, however, and it is wrong in either cases) or to try to help reform criminal sentencing, and when you recall how a black woman was sentenced to twenty years in jail for firing a warning shot at her abusive ex-boyfriend, or how the white guy who raped a black girl only got three months in jail, they have reasons to be pissed off about institutional racism. Sandernistas would love to throw every Democratic issue under the bus except for single-payer healthcare (that failed in Sanders' own state and blue-as-fuck California), free college, and the legalization of pot - in other words, identity politics that affect them too, as privileged white kids with First World problems. They don't know what it truly means to suffer to get what you want. They wouldn't have lasted a day in the worker riots, or the civil rights marches, or suffering repeated coercion and sexual assault and rape by your employer in order to keep your job like their mothers and grandmothers had to go through. And they are so ungrateful that it is pathetic. The Democrats will lose by supporting Sanders, especially since he wants state-run TV, to abolish the military and rely on the Coast Guard, and I think even abandon public education. Not to mention his creepy sex writings.

[Karha of Honor]

@Admiral X Identity politics, really? You sound like a Sanders voter. Sandernistas and the far-left Socialist brats want us to abandon identity politics and focus on economics for white people, basically. And they are going to alienate those in the middle. There are legitimate reasons for a working class woman to want to vote to protect her right to abort a baby she doesn't want. For women, that's as much of an economic right even if their gender is the one to bear the brunt of unwanted pregnancies. Not by abstaining from sex like the far righters want, but by protecting choice. Or for a black person to want to vote to protect their communities from police outreach that overwhelmingly hurts minorities more than white people (not to say that it doesn't hurt white people, however, and it is wrong in either cases) or to try to help reform criminal sentencing, and when you recall how a black woman was sentenced to twenty years in jail for firing a warning shot at her abusive ex-boyfriend, or how the white guy who raped a black girl only got three months in jail, they have reasons to be pissed off about institutional racism. Sandernistas would love to throw every Democratic issue under the bus except for single-payer healthcare (that failed in Sanders' own state and blue-as-fuck California), free college, and the legalization of pot - in other words, identity politics that affect them too, as privileged white kids with First World problems. They don't know what it truly means to suffer to get what you want. They wouldn't have lasted a day in the worker riots, or the civil rights marches, or suffering repeated coercion and sexual assault and rape by your employer in order to keep your job like their mothers and grandmothers had to go through. And they are so ungrateful that it is pathetic. The Democrats will lose by supporting Sanders, especially since he wants state-run TV, to abolish the military and rely on the Coast Guard, and I think even abandon public education. Not to mention his creepy sex writings.

Current Identity politics fans have jack to do with worker riots, MLK, or 70s feminists.

[Admiral X]

@Admiral X Identity politics, really?

Yeah. Identity politics are toxic and regressive. It makes it both ironic and insulting that the people who follow that ideology fancy themselves to be "progressive."

You sound like a Sanders voter.

I'm moderately libertarian, so, no, I wouldn't have voted for a socialist either. I believe very strongly in individualism and individual rights. I'm very egalitarian and believe everyone should be treated equally under the law. I'm also a big believer in meritocracy, which puts me very much at odds with both traditional socialists and identity politics.

Sandernistas and the far-left Socialist brats want us to abandon identity politics and focus on economics for white people, basically. And they are going to alienate those in the middle.

Neither aspect of the far left is interested much in what those in the middle think. It was never about them, and if anything they despise moderates for what they see as enabling the "other side."

Current Identity politics fans have jack to do with worker riots, MLK, or 70s feminists.

I'd agree they have nothing to do with civil rights and are actually working to undermine them, but they do have some in common with '70s era feminists like Andrea Dworkin and Valerie Solanas. The SCUM Manifesto actually has a new-found popularity among modern feminists.

[LittleRaven]

I'd agree they have nothing to do with civil rights and are actually working to undermine them, but they do have some in common with '70s era feminists like Andrea Dworkin and Valerie Solanas. The SCUM Manifesto actually has a new-found popularity among modern feminists.

I don't know of a single elected official who cites either Dworkin or Solanas as anything other than loonies.

Let's not confuse YouTube politics with actual policy positions held by actual people in power.

[Karha of Honor]

I'd agree they have nothing to do with civil rights and are actually working to undermine them, but they do have some in common with '70s era feminists like Andrea Dworkin and Valerie Solanas. The SCUM Manifesto actually has a new-found popularity among modern feminists.

I don't know of a single elected official who cites either Dworkin or Solanas as anything other than loonies.

Let's not confuse YouTube politics with actual policy positions held by actual people in power.

Hillary campaing might as well had been done by a left wing youtuber.

[LittleRaven]

Hillary campaing might as well had been done by a left wing youtuber.

Hardly. Even Hillary, whose campaign hit some highly publicized and unfortunate flaws, never suggested anything resembling what either Dworkin or Solanas would say. Which is to be expected, since both of those women are overwhelmingly considered extremist at best by anyone outside of a woman's studies department, whereas Youtube is where the extremes of the political spectrum ply their trade.

I mean, you have read Intercourse, right? Can you REALLY picture Hillary Clinton, the woman that infamously stood by her husband in spite of his many affairs, arguing that all heterosexual sex, at least as practiced in our culture, is inherently degrading and damaging to women?

Cause I sure can't.

[Admiral X]

To be fair, I don't think Clinton believed any of that identity politics crap - she simply thought it was popular and would help to get her elected. But the fact that Andrea Dworkin and Valerie Solanas seem to becoming more trendy within the identity politics crowd is an excellent reason for the Democratic Party should distance themselves from that ideology.

[Yukaphile]

Well, then, the Sanders brats are just really attacking civil and gender rights under the flag of "identity politics." I see them as just a bunch of privileged white kids who have an identity politics all of their own - they only care about voting for what improves their own life, which is fine, believe it or not. I'm not against that. But they're hypocrites if they think they are somehow "above" the identity politics they claim to hate. And they are so ungrateful, as I said. These little young Feminist brats, these dumb little girls, can't comprehend how bad their mothers and grandmothers had it, the kind of sacrifices they had to make to get them improved quality of life, nor do they care to learn or honor that.

[Karha of Honor]

Hillary campaing might as well had been done by a left wing youtuber.

Hardly. Even Hillary, whose campaign hit some highly publicized and unfortunate flaws, never suggested anything resembling what either Dworkin or Solanas would say. Which is to be expected, since both of those women are overwhelmingly considered extremist at best by anyone outside of a woman's studies department, whereas Youtube is where the extremes of the political spectrum ply their trade.

I mean, you have read Intercourse, right? Can you REALLY picture Hillary Clinton, the woman that infamously stood by her husband in spite of his many affairs, arguing that all heterosexual sex, at least as practiced in our culture, is inherently degrading and damaging to women?

Cause I sure can't.

Have you read my post?

Well, then, the Sanders brats are just really attacking civil and gender rights under the flag of "identity politics." I see them as just a bunch of privileged white kids who have an identity politics all of their own - they only care about voting for what improves their own life, which is fine, believe it or not. I'm not against that. But they're hypocrites if they think they are somehow "above" the identity politics they claim to hate. And they are so ungrateful, as I said. These little young Feminist brats, these dumb little girls, can't comprehend how bad their mothers and grandmothers had it, the kind of sacrifices they had to make to get them improved quality of life, nor do they care to learn or honor that.

You think the ideological center of identity politics is not in elite spheres? You think this comes out of the factories, small abndoned towns and the poorest neighbourhoods of big cities?