Freedom of speech officially dead in Scotland

[unknownsample]

No Freedom of Speech is being abused, it's being used as a cover to normalise hate speech, the post-war consensus that we all grew up with that fascism should not to be tolerated and should be fought against is being ignored, it's now considered bad to stand up to these bastards, that somehow objecting to hate speech means your a fascist and you call me a fascist? When your're happy to turn a blind eye to what these fuckers represent, when you're happy to let them get away with murder.

Nobody is saying that you can't fight fascists, and nobody is saying that you cannot object to hate speech. But that can (and, IMO, should) be done without making that speech illegal.

I oppose fascism mostly because it's authoritarian (fascism doesn't have to be racist, and racism doesn't have to be fascist). Of course when I say "fascist," I don't mean, "Held an affirmative action bake sale." I mean, fascist: dictatorial power, complete government control of industry and commerce, and forcible suppression of the opposition. I oppose this kind of restriction on speech for the same reason.

I also see no indications that Count Dankula is a fascist. Among the tactics the Nazis used to take power, I don't think you'll find "stupid pet tricks."

We're talking about a shitposter on YouTube not a political leader. Also if Dankula isn't a fascist what's he doing holding the flag of Kekistan a well known alt-right meme.



Mind you I'm dealing with people who probably think Jordan fucking Peterson is an intellectual.

[Karha of Honor]

No Freedom of Speech is being abused, it's being used as a cover to normalise hate speech, the post-war consensus that we all grew up with that fascism should not to be tolerated and should be fought against is being ignored, it's now considered bad to stand up to these bastards, that somehow objecting to hate speech means your a fascist and you call me a fascist? When your're happy to turn a blind eye to what these fuckers represent, when you're happy to let them get away with murder.

Nobody is saying that you can't fight fascists, and nobody is saying that you cannot object to hate speech. But that can (and, IMO, should) be done without making that speech illegal.

I oppose fascism mostly because it's authoritarian (fascism doesn't have to be racist, and racism doesn't have to be fascist). Of course when I say "fascist," I don't mean, "Held an affirmative action bake sale." I mean, fascist: dictatorial power, complete government control of industry and commerce, and forcible suppression of the opposition. I oppose this kind of restriction on speech for the same reason.

I also see no indications that Count Dankula is a fascist. Among the tactics the Nazis used to take power, I don't think you'll find "stupid pet tricks."

Mind you I'm dealing with people who probably think Jordan fucking Peterson is an intellectual.

Why would i think he is not?

[unknownsample]

Well threatening to slap someone who dares to criticise your work is not a sign of an intellectual.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... an-twitter

Peterson had a meltdown. He called Mishra a “sanctimonious prick”, an “arrogant racist son of a bitch”, said he would “slap him” if he was in the room, and rounded it up with a final “fuck you”. Somewhere along the tantrum, he tweeted that Mishra was a “dealer in lies and half-truths”. The responses that followed can only be summarised as a mass sideways look to camera.

[Karha of Honor]

Well threatening to slap someone who dares to criticise your work is not a sign of an intellectual.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... an-twitter

Peterson had a meltdown. He called Mishra a “sanctimonious prick”, an “arrogant racist son of a bitch”, said he would “slap him” if he was in the room, and rounded it up with a final “fuck you”. Somewhere along the tantrum, he tweeted that Mishra was a “dealer in lies and half-truths”. The responses that followed can only be summarised as a mass sideways look to camera.

I think they can straight up fight and they would still be intellectuals after it hapened.

[Fixer]

No Freedom of Speech is being abused, it's being used as a cover to normalise hate speech, the post-war consensus that we all grew up with that fascism should not to be tolerated and should be fought against is being ignored, it's now considered bad to stand up to these bastards, that somehow objecting to hate speech means your a fascist and you call me a fascist? When your're happy to turn a blind eye to what these fuckers represent, when you're happy to let them get away with murder.

Funny thing happened when I googled antifa arson, all the sources I found happened to be alt-right, now isn't that funny.

:shrug: "Hate speech" is free speech or there is no such thing as free speech. Not sure why you seem to have such a hard time with that. The reason antifa is a terrorist group is because they use fear to push their political agenda. I couldn't tell you if they've managed to kill anyone yet, but they've sure hurt a lot of people and done plenty of property damage.

Is the LA Times "alt-right"?

Of course for a group that claims to be "anti-fascist," they certainly act a lot like fascists, and even dress like them, too. After all, the Italian fascists were famous for wearing black, as was a German group I'm sure no one has heard of called the SS.

Oh, and on the subject of how the actual Nazis reacted to a man teaching his dog to give the Nazi salute.

When I Google search I find articles from the Atlantic, the Guardian, the Times.
I think it's important to remember that your searches are personalized based off your own previous searches.

Also yes, apparently the Scottish Government is being more fascist than actual fascists.

Well threatening to slap someone who dares to criticise your work is not a sign of an intellectual.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... an-twitter

Peterson had a meltdown. He called Mishra a “sanctimonious prick”, an “arrogant racist son of a bitch”, said he would “slap him” if he was in the room, and rounded it up with a final “fuck you”. Somewhere along the tantrum, he tweeted that Mishra was a “dealer in lies and half-truths”. The responses that followed can only be summarised as a mass sideways look to camera.

Putting aside that a pass to arson is given but threats of a slap are worthy of an article in the Guardian.

Criticism? Looking into this only briefly I can find the cause of this twitter rant is a response to someone slandering him as fascist and calling his 15 year long friendship with a Native American "Romancing the Noble savage."

You only need to scroll down on the Guardian article you linked to find highly upvoted comments disputing that character assassination and that of the mentioned Cathy Newman, who's failed attempt at character assassination was so infamous it became a meme.

You label Dankula as a fascist for posing next to someone with a meme flag. Which you claim is alt-right, yet I find no claims of alt-right membership on his or the other individuals twitter feed. Also apparently the alt-right hate him for his video mocking them.

I assume you mean therefore he's a part of the other alt-right, which is effectively everything less authoritarian or to the political right of Stalin.

I'm just going to say from this, we can conclude that neither you nor any of sources have the qualifications to label anyone nor the right to declare who is, or is not an intellectual.

Frankly your example has undermined your argument so thoroughly it has been extremely valuable in helping to exemplify the benefits of free speech.

[Admiral X]

Honestly Kekistan and their flag are made as a response to people calling people fascist who are very much not fascist, and as a way to thumb one's nose at the identity politics of the people making said accusations.


youtu.be/tFhcIal9PKM

[Darth Wedgius]

We're talking about a shitposter on YouTube not a political leader.

Um... Free speech for political leaders only? That can't be what you meant.

[unknownsample]

@Fixer, care to post any of these articles

Also yes, apparently the Scottish Government is being more fascist than actual fascists.

Really care to provide any evidence or have you pulled that out of your arse?

Criticism? Looking into this only briefly I can find the cause of this twitter rant is a response to someone slandering him as fascist and calling his 15 year long friendship with a Native American "Romancing the Noble savage."

You only need to scroll down on the Guardian article you linked to find highly upvoted comments disputing that character assassination and that of the mentioned Cathy Newman, who's failed attempt at character assassination was so infamous it became a meme.

Really well I've read Mishra's article it's a polite but reasonable criticism of his book which reads like a self-help book for man babies. He doesn't slander him as a fascist, he simply points out that a lot of Peterson has its roots in thinking that was used by Fascists as for attacking his friendship with a Native American all I can find is this

. Peterson claims that he has been inducted into “the coastal Pacific Kwakwaka’wakw tribe”; he is clearly proud of the Native American longhouse he has built in his Toronto home.

Peterson may seem the latest in a long line of eggheads pretentiously but harmlessly romancing the noble savage.

and because I'm a helpful, kind person here is the link to Mishra's review.

http://www.nybooks.com/daily/2018/03/19 ... mysticism/

Well as a rule I rarely read BTL, but having skimmed through it they seem to be written by the usual collection of right-wing trolls. Would that be the same interview for which Newman had to receive police protection because she was sent death threats by his supporters.

I'm just going to say from this, we can conclude that neither you nor any of sources have the qualifications to label anyone nor the right to declare who is, or is not an intellectual.

Frankly your example has undermined your argument so thoroughly it has been extremely valuable in helping to exemplify the benefits of free speech.

Oh and you do I suppose?

[unknownsample]

We're talking about a shitposter on YouTube not a political leader.

Um... Free speech for political leaders only? That can't be what you meant.

No I was pointing out how ridiculous you are for making a martyr out of this cunt, If your so concerned about the freedom to speech why aren't you so concerned about what's happening in Russia, Hungary, Slovakia, Turkey or China to name a few countries, countries where freedom of speech is generally under threat, where opponents of the government there are arrested or murdered.

[Robovski]

We're talking about a shitposter on YouTube not a political leader.

Um... Free speech for political leaders only? That can't be what you meant.

No I was pointing out how ridiculous you are for making a martyr out of this cunt, If your so concerned about the freedom to speech why aren't you so concerned about what's happening in Russia, Hungary, Slovakia, Turkey or China to name a few countries, countries where freedom of speech is generally under threat, where opponents of the government there are arrested or murdered.

It's actually more concerning to see Freedom of Speech undermined in a place where it is assumed to exist as opposed to a place you don't expect it to exist. It doesn't matter if he is a ''cunt'' or a ''shitposter'', he is a citizen of the United Kingdom and Scotland and has been found guilty of grossly offensive speech by a judge (no jury) after being brought by the police service itself without a complaint.

As for more fascist than the fascists, already linked was a case in WWII Finland brought by the Reich against someone who had named his dog Hitler and trained it to salute. They eventually dropped the case but not before damaging his business and after a defense was entered that while it may have happened a few times in 1933, it was in private at home. Not a whole lot of social media in the 30's and 40's so not exactly the same but similar.