Is Disney finally ditching WOKE politics?

[CharlesPhipps]

This reminds me of the "DISCO HATES WHITE MEN" thread despite two of the three Captains being white men.

[Makeshift Python]

This reminds me of the "DISCO HATES WHITE MEN" thread despite two of the three Captains being white men.

This is the first show that doesn't feature a heterosexual white male in the main cast that has consistently been there from the start, with Lorca and Pike being essentially guest roles for each season. Supposedly by the third season there won't be any in the cast. It'll only consists of females, gays, an alien, and Aldis Hodge. Any sane person would regard that as trivial, but I'm sure we can find folks on twitter and youtube "outraged" over the lack of white hetero males, a specific demo which has dominated the role of the protagonist for so long.

Kind of an invert of "The Cage", which seemed to mainly consist of an entirely white cast before NBC suggested featuring a more diverse cast, as other shows like MISSION: IMPOSSIBLE have.

[Riedquat]

This reminds me of the "DISCO HATES WHITE MEN" thread despite two of the three Captains being white men.

This is the first show that doesn't feature a heterosexual white male in the main cast that has consistently been there from the start, with Lorca and Pike being essentially guest roles for each season. Supposedly by the third season there won't be any in the cast. It'll only consists of females, gays, an alien, and Aldis Hodge. Any sane person would regard that as trivial, but I'm sure we can find folks on twitter and youtube "outraged" over the lack of white hetero males, a specific demo which has dominated the role of the protagonist for so long.

If that did happen it would quite legitimately annoy people because it would be clear, blatant tokenism, just as prejudiced and bigoted as what it claims to be against. If there's any motivation for any other reason for casting other than "whatever I'd reasonably expect to see realistically" then someone needs to be on the receiving end of a bit of abuse.

[clearspira]

This reminds me of the "DISCO HATES WHITE MEN" thread despite two of the three Captains being white men.

This is the first show that doesn't feature a heterosexual white male in the main cast that has consistently been there from the start, with Lorca and Pike being essentially guest roles for each season. Supposedly by the third season there won't be any in the cast. It'll only consists of females, gays, an alien, and Aldis Hodge. Any sane person would regard that as trivial, but I'm sure we can find folks on twitter and youtube "outraged" over the lack of white hetero males, a specific demo which has dominated the role of the protagonist for so long.
Kind of an invert of "The Cage", which seemed to mainly consist of an entirely white cast before NBC suggested featuring a more diverse cast, as other shows like MISSION: IMPOSSIBLE have.

What a terrible argument you just made. Are you basically saying that just because there are a lot of heterosexual white men in Star Trek that I should never expect any going forward? What you've just done there is advocate for discrimination.
Y'know what? I'm going to call it and I don't care who I piss off saying it: Martin Luther King would be disgusted by this attitude. This is not the world he wanted, he wanted equality, not ''The Cage'' in reverse where white men now cannot get work and have all criticisms of this practice dismissed as trivial.

I am never going to stop calling this shit for what it is: racism and sexism against the only class left that it is socially acceptable to be racist and sexist towards.

[Riedquat]

^ You're quite right of course, but the knuckle-draggers won't see it. All they do is illustrate starkly how the past hatreds developed in the first place, by being no better but now being in a position where their prejudices and self-centredness that had been supressed by different people with exactly the same mentality can now get a chance to show.

[TGLS]

Alright. Let's pretend it's the future, and I'm in charge of Star Trek. I'm launching 7 new series all at once, and because it's all enlightened and all, I'm casting each of the main casts entirely gender/race-blind. Each cast is made up of a CO, an XO, an SO, an engineer, a doctor, a pilot, and Ship's Alien, so 7 actors total.

Because this is an enlightened future and all, the actor pool demographics tracks to American demos, so about 70% of the pool is white, and half of the pool is women. Because the ability to act is unrelated to having testicles or skin color, the casts are determined effectively randomly. So with some simple math, there are 2-3 white men in each cast, right?

Wrong! The casts are all determined randomly. There could be any number of white men in each cast, but some numbers are more likely than others. About a fifth of the time, there's at most 1 white man in a cast, equal odds to there being a majority of white men in a cast. On the other hand, about 70% of the time, we're ending up with between 1 and 4 white men in a cast. As a test, I generated 7, and came up with 1, 4, 2, 2, 4, 3, and 0.

You may say this is a pretty silly scenario, surely they don't cast shows entirely at random. I'd argue in an equal society, the results will appear basically random, even if the decision through the process are not random. You may argue that the Ship's Alien doesn't count. I'd say: One, they're on screen and getting paid, what does it matter? And two, if you don't count the ship's alien, all we're doing is playing the same game with fewer dice.

You may say I left out whether or not the actor is gay. I left that out for a few reasons. First off I'd need to figure out what percentage of the population is gay, and that's harder to find than race makeup. Second, unless an actor's sexuality is well known (i.e. George Takei), you'd have to put effort looking for it, whereas it requires effort to ignore race/gender. If you don't believe me, imagine any character from fiction without imaging what they look like. Race and gender are effectively built into that. Third, it's a trait that belongs to the character, not the actor. Straight actors can play gay characters and vice versa.

[GreyICE]

Holy shit, they’re making the argument that not having a white, male, heterosexual, cisgender main character in it PROVES discrimination.

Do they have any Asian, female, homosexual, transgender characters? No. Does that prove discrimination? Not hardly. You would need the largest cast on TV to check every box that you want to fill, because apparently having a white male cisgender character isn’t enough - he’s gotta be straight.

This is why everyone makes fun of you. You lot have the most fragile, pathetic, saddest little egos around. You’ve got a white man, but oh no he kissed another guy so he’s not enough. You can’t accept him.

[CharlesPhipps]

What a terrible argument you just made. Are you basically saying that just because there are a lot of heterosexual white men in Star Trek that I should never expect any going forward? What you've just done there is advocate for discrimination.

No, because the idea that there won't be any more white people in the show is moronic. Also, it's dumb as fuck to be unable to enjoy a show because it may not have white het men in charge. Calling it "discrimination" makes me point something out.

So, in your opinion, does the absence of Asian heterosexual Men men in TNG make it racist? Because applying your logic to it means that it must be applied to all Star Treks for all races. How do you choose to resolve discrimination according to your criteria that covers all races?

Or maybe we can appreciate the characters for who they are. Which means that a black or Asian woman in charge isn't the end of the world.

[Zargon]

It's all about the money with Disney, as simply put "Woke does not sell". At least it does not sell enough. It is all about the bottom line. Again the "invisible" Woke fan base does not really buy merchandise or they are simply not really there at all.

So Disney has the simple choice: Keep making Woke Disney things that make 'some' money or they can make literally anything else and make a ton of money.

[CharlesPhipps]

It's all about the money with Disney, as simply put "Woke does not sell".

It sells more than pandering to just white people. Hence why until Frozen it had been decades since they'd had a white led animated movie. But seriously, you have to be a moron to think most people won't enjoy a POC hero. The vast majority aren't that stupid or bigots.

What weirdos hate Aladdin or don't like Esmeralda?

Who hates Mulan?

Or Moana?

But I see I am not persuading you. Allow me to explain in the language of $$$.

"Disney wants to sell to the 6.5 billion people on Earth who aren't white, particularly Chinese people. But also Indian, Muslim, Latin, and black people."