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Re: Heroarchy is Fascism

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BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: Thu Apr 06, 2023 5:38 pm
MithrandirOlorin wrote: Wed Apr 05, 2023 11:59 pm I'm not actually proposing a definition so much as a common ancestor. As when you break down the specific I actually consider Nazism and Fascism quite distinct.
as death is important in any story.
I reject that premise.
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MithrandirOlorin wrote: Thu Apr 06, 2023 6:25 pm
BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: Thu Apr 06, 2023 5:38 pm
MithrandirOlorin wrote: Wed Apr 05, 2023 11:59 pm I'm not actually proposing a definition so much as a common ancestor. As when you break down the specific I actually consider Nazism and Fascism quite distinct.
as death is important in any story.
I reject that premise.
So you’re saying that there should be no narrative attention or context if someone dies?

What was your interpretation of that snippet?

I get you might have thought I meant that death is necessary in a story, but that’s far from the only take one could make.

Also, just thinking about a military story where death isn’t embellished in the narrative, much less just not having death in a military premise, seems less considerate of the narrative.
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Yeah I assumed that's what you meant.
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Heroism is a lot older than fascism. On top of that, they concern rather different subjects. And despite the consistency, it’s rather clear the distinction. Good day.
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BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: Thu Apr 06, 2023 10:37 pm Heroism is a lot older than fascism.
That's literally my starting Premise, looking for what Fascism was before it manifested with that name.
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MithrandirOlorin wrote: Fri Apr 07, 2023 12:01 am
BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: Thu Apr 06, 2023 10:37 pm Heroism is a lot older than fascism.
That's literally my starting Premise, looking for what Fascism was before it manifested with that name.
Ahh. Interesting.

I mean, thinking of the movie Troy, the side that Achilles is on are all fascists so to speak. At least when comparing them to the Trojan depiction in the movie that showed them as more enlightened and yeah they're not the belligerents.

I think it'd technically be more suitable to say that Fascism is Heroarchy instead of the other way around.
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BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: Fri Apr 07, 2023 12:56 am
MithrandirOlorin wrote: Fri Apr 07, 2023 12:01 am
BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: Thu Apr 06, 2023 10:37 pm Heroism is a lot older than fascism.
That's literally my starting Premise, looking for what Fascism was before it manifested with that name.
Ahh. Interesting.

I mean, thinking of the movie Troy, the side that Achilles is on are all fascists so to speak. At least when comparing them to the Trojan depiction in the movie that showed them as more enlightened and yeah they're not the belligerents.

I think it'd technically be more suitable to say that Fascism is Heroarchy instead of the other way around.
Once again I'm not saying all Hero stories are Fascist.

Let me explain it like this, the issue is think the traits that make an Action Hero are also the traits that make a leader.
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MithrandirOlorin wrote: Fri Apr 07, 2023 1:45 am
BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: Fri Apr 07, 2023 12:56 am
MithrandirOlorin wrote: Fri Apr 07, 2023 12:01 am
BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: Thu Apr 06, 2023 10:37 pm Heroism is a lot older than fascism.
That's literally my starting Premise, looking for what Fascism was before it manifested with that name.
Ahh. Interesting.

I mean, thinking of the movie Troy, the side that Achilles is on are all fascists so to speak. At least when comparing them to the Trojan depiction in the movie that showed them as more enlightened and yeah they're not the belligerents.

I think it'd technically be more suitable to say that Fascism is Heroarchy instead of the other way around.
Once again I'm not saying all Hero stories are Fascist.

Let me explain it like this, the issue is think the traits that make an Action Hero are also the traits that make a leader.
Yeah, I had picked up on that at the time of my last post, sorry. Fascism is Heroarchy would be a more suitable title.
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Maybe you're right.

I changed it over on the original Blog Post.
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That kind of "strongest fighter leads the group" thing is so old Chimps inherited it too. That's less an ideology and more an inherent flaw in human nature.
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