The Russian Invasion of Ukraine

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Re: The Ukrainian Crisis of 2022

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On a much lighter note:

Found out some interesting information about Ukraine's president Volodymyr Zelensky. Before he got into politics, he was an actor and comedian appearing in a number of comedies and was the dub voice for Paddington in the 2014 film.


youtu.be/zI4aS2bT0Lw

However, that's not the interesting part. The highlight of his career was a 2015 series called Servant of the People, where he played a history teacher who is unexpectedly elected President of Ukraine after a viral video filmed by one of his students shows him ranting about government corruption.


youtu.be/gXzmQE5BjY0

The show was such an iconic part of his career that when he eventually got into politics, he founded a political party named after the show.

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You can actually watch an English subtitled version of the show on Youtube.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=P ... 2DXWGSvv0T
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Re: The Ukrainian Crisis of 2022

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BBally81 wrote: Mon Feb 28, 2022 4:24 pmThe highlight of his career was a 2015 series called Servant of the People, where he played a history teacher who is unexpectedly elected President of Ukraine after a viral video filmed by one of his students shows him ranting about government corruption.
Sounds kinda on the nose.
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Ukrainians and Russian representatives have met to discuss a ceasefire but the fighting continues.

https://www.usnews.com/news/world/artic ... s-invasion

Meanwhile, Western nations fight an economic war with Russia by imposing tighter and tighter sanctions.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol ... 322671002/
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Re: The Ukrainian Crisis of 2022

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Gonna link to an auto-translated article in the russian newspaper "Novaya Gazeta", a critical, investigative newspaper, focusing on russian politics and social affairs.

Source in russian.

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“Mom, I love you, if there is a funeral, don’t believe right away”

How Russian soldiers got into the "special operation". And what are these soldiers

[...]

“Everyone who refused to sign a contract was sent to their “rigging”, this is such a special training ground where you have to carry heavy boxes of ammunition all day long,” says Elena. - Many could not stand it and signed a contract just to return to normal conditions. My son's back hurt so much that he ended up in the hospital. And he decided that he would not return to the rigging from there, but would rather sign a contract. In addition, under the contract they promised decent earnings - 45 thousand rubles, and as a teacher in our district he would receive 1 minimum wage. The son signed. But I really wanted to leave the army as soon as possible.

Pavel signed a two-year contract in September 2021. The promised 45 thousand, according to Elena, he did not receive. His allowance was 27 thousand rubles.

“And it’s also good if they pass the standard for physical indicators, and if you don’t pass, it will be less by 5 thousand,” Elena clarifies. “And even from these earnings they were constantly collecting money: either for the repair of the barracks, or for gasoline, or for something else.

Not having served even a year, Pavel Abramov ended up on a “special operation” in Ukraine. Since then, his mother does not know at all where his son is, what is wrong with him, whether he is healthy and whether he is alive at all.

[...]
It's a harrowing read about the ways Putler's Russia forces it's people into military service in a war they do not want to fight, only to abandon them the moment they cross the border.
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Even Hollywood is joining in on the sanctions both Disney and Warner Brother's have stopped releasing movies in Russia.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/28/busi ... ussia.html
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The question at this point is kinda… did Putin really believe his own talking points and expect a show of force to cow the Ukrainian government into submission due to overwhelming support from the populous, and thus sent in his just out of high school conscripts? Is he *deliberately* using traditional Russian meat grinder tactics and holding all his seasoned troops in reserve? Was the Russian military just that badly fucked by covid and all he can afford is doughboys in equipment they aren’t qualified on?

At this point he could take Kyiv tomorrow and have a puppet government by the end of the week and he’d probably still be cruising towards a date with an elevator shaft.
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At this point it is still just an incursion that precedes major international support and war declarations. Taking the whole country is not likely, but he might be pulling a Bugs Bunny and just trying to saw off a big chunk of it. The chemical industry of Ukraine is rather large, and it happens to spread across cities that line the border with Russia and are all rather close to Kyiv too.

Direct war preparation efforts I doubt, but technological infrastructure that supplied 1/3 of Soviet production could be useful somehow. And when China's growing to surpass US GDP and potentially market power, it probably wouldn't hurt to start dressing back up.

Taking Crimea was more about land, which was probably part and parcel to the symbolic aspects of Russian conquest, but if he can just stronghold Kyiv long enough then Ukraine might have just let a portion of the region go themselves.
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BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:50 pm
BBally81 wrote: Mon Feb 28, 2022 4:24 pmThe highlight of his career was a 2015 series called Servant of the People, where he played a history teacher who is unexpectedly elected President of Ukraine after a viral video filmed by one of his students shows him ranting about government corruption.
Sounds kinda on the nose.
How?

He made it before he actually became President.

In fact it helped get him elected.
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Re: The Ukrainian Crisis of 2022

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Jonathan101 wrote: Tue Mar 01, 2022 5:53 pm
BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:50 pm
BBally81 wrote: Mon Feb 28, 2022 4:24 pmThe highlight of his career was a 2015 series called Servant of the People, where he played a history teacher who is unexpectedly elected President of Ukraine after a viral video filmed by one of his students shows him ranting about government corruption.
Sounds kinda on the nose.
How?

He made it before he actually became President.

In fact it helped get him elected.
Just like Oscar bait I guess.
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phantom000 wrote: Sat Feb 26, 2022 11:48 pmIt's value, aside from just more territory which always has its uses, seems mostly symbolic.
That's a very old attitude, but I don't think it actually works. The attempts at making world-spanning Empires tended to flounder partly because territory required lots of bureaucracy and military power to manage, yet provided relatively little to the home country.

Being a small but well-managed country seems to be better than a large, unmanageable one. The days when Rome could strip conquered provinces of resources and enrich the city-state at the expense of everything around it are over.
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