VOY:Spirit Folk or "PaddyWorld"

[SuccubusYuri]

Perhaps it is the small bit of Japan that sneaks into the overly-Western future of Trek, making it more the mascot of a brand. It is our Goliath, our champion of the fleet and if it kicks the champion of your fleet well you tossers better watch it!

...Now I'm trying to envision what the thirteen year old anime girl version of the Enterprise D would look like *thinking*

[Madner Kami]

Perhaps it is the small bit of Japan that sneaks into the overly-Western future of Trek, making it more the mascot of a brand. It is our Goliath, our champion of the fleet and if it kicks the champion of your fleet well you tossers better watch it!

...Now I'm trying to envision what the thirteen year old anime girl version of the Enterprise D would look like *thinking*

Fat, well rounded and lots of rings around her arms and waist.

[Robovski]

Perhaps it is the small bit of Japan that sneaks into the overly-Western future of Trek, making it more the mascot of a brand. It is our Goliath, our champion of the fleet and if it kicks the champion of your fleet well you tossers better watch it!

...Now I'm trying to envision what the thirteen year old anime girl version of the Enterprise D would look like *thinking*

Fat, well rounded and lots of rings around her arms and waist.

Sooo the Michelin Man?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3KC8x5T6YQ

[Madner Kami]

Perhaps it is the small bit of Japan that sneaks into the overly-Western future of Trek, making it more the mascot of a brand. It is our Goliath, our champion of the fleet and if it kicks the champion of your fleet well you tossers better watch it!

...Now I'm trying to envision what the thirteen year old anime girl version of the Enterprise D would look like *thinking*

Fat, well rounded and lots of rings around her arms and waist.

Sooo the Michelin Man?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3KC8x5T6YQ

Close, but I don't think the Michelin-Man is enough of a self-rightous twat.

[Morgaine]

On the other hand, Jake Sisko was on the Saratoga at Wolf 359, so there's that.

And that was an object lesson on why families on starships facing combat and other dangers is a stupid and self-destructive idea that seemed to fly over the heads of the writers.

Sisko was second in command of the Saratoga. With the death of the captain, he was now in charge. It was therefore his duty to command the ship and oversee the evecuation to make sure everybody gets off safely.
So what does he do? He panics and rushes to his family, then upon seeing Jennifer dead he breaks down, forcing the 3rd officer to drop his duties also in order to get Sisko to snap out of it long enough to get on an escape shuttle.

I'm not blaming Sisko for his dereliction of duty, I'd react the same way in his situation, which is exactly why his wife and child should never have been on that ship.
It's also why I can't stand the argument that "It was the Borg they were going to die/be assimilated if they didn't stop the cube anyway so have at it!" because setting aside it's the duty of the military to protect civilians and not use them as cannon fodder, who knows how many times this was repeated in the fleet, with officers more concerned about the safety of their loved ones rather than doing their damn job.

[Madner Kami]

It's also why I can't stand the argument that "It was the Borg they were going to die/be assimilated if they didn't stop the cube anyway so have at it!" because setting aside it's the duty of the military to protect civilians and not use them as cannon fodder, who knows how many times this was repeated in the fleet, with officers more concerned about the safety of their loved ones rather than doing their damn job.

That probably didn't happen that often, because, you see, humanity has evolved beyond such petty emotions. They accept death as a natural occurance and aren't afraid of it and yadda yadda yadda

[Morgaine]

It's also why I can't stand the argument that "It was the Borg they were going to die/be assimilated if they didn't stop the cube anyway so have at it!" because setting aside it's the duty of the military to protect civilians and not use them as cannon fodder, who knows how many times this was repeated in the fleet, with officers more concerned about the safety of their loved ones rather than doing their damn job.

That probably didn't happen that often, because, you see, humanity has evolved beyond such petty emotions. They accept death as a natural occurance and aren't afraid of it and yadda yadda yadda

Yeah sure that's why Sisko gave Picard the stink-eye years later for something that wasn't his fault (though oddly never showed any resentment to Starfleet for putting his wife there in the first place).

But then I'm sure this is another reason Gene would've hated DS9.

[FaxModem1]

This is why I headcanon it as both Federation hubris and complacency from not having a serious threat for so long and having a parasite infestation at the highest levels of Starfleet. Picard and Riker took care of one, the Borg took care of the other.

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Regarding the episode, considering we never see Fair Haven again, I doubt anyone played it for fear of being kidnapped. It also allowed members of the crew who didn't want to play Irish theme park something else.

[Madner Kami]

It's also why I can't stand the argument that "It was the Borg they were going to die/be assimilated if they didn't stop the cube anyway so have at it!" because setting aside it's the duty of the military to protect civilians and not use them as cannon fodder, who knows how many times this was repeated in the fleet, with officers more concerned about the safety of their loved ones rather than doing their damn job.

That probably didn't happen that often, because, you see, humanity has evolved beyond such petty emotions. They accept death as a natural occurance and aren't afraid of it and yadda yadda yadda

Yeah sure that's why Sisko gave Picard the stink-eye years later for something that wasn't his fault (though oddly never showed any resentment to Starfleet for putting his wife there in the first place).

But then I'm sure this is another reason Gene would've hated DS9.

Thus just another reason why DS9 is the best Star Trek out there, because it actually portrays humans who grow due to the problems they face, instead of a bunch of self-righteous stick-figures that can do no wrong or caricatures doing the dumbest things and dance limbo undreneath the low bar set by their own series regularly. Star Trek is so lucky that it survived past early TNG and Voyager.

[Morgaine]

Regarding the episode, considering we never see Fair Haven again, I doubt anyone played it for fear of being kidnapped. It also allowed members of the crew who didn't want to play Irish theme park something else.

That part always bothered me.
Star Trek has always not really bothered to show the logistics of the finite resource of holodecks aboard ship, who gets to use it ehen etc (wouldn't there be a long list of complaints for Barclay's overuse for instance? Did he just "buy" a whole lot of time?)
But Fair Haven takes the cake. They seemed to want the simulation to take over all the holodecks as some sort of community sandbox game... but what if you don't like turn of the 20th century Irish stereotypes?
Well I guess you're stuck, Overlord Janeway has taken your last bit of fun on the ship of the damned here.