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So, let's review.
The government shutdown is still going on.
This is the first government shutdown to happen when one party controls all three branches of the federal government.
I hope this doesn't affect my Food Stamps... Jerry claims it's state-funded, not the federal one, but I still have doubts...
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Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: ↑Mon Jan 07, 2019 1:45 am
So, let's review.
The government shutdown is still going on.
This is the first government shutdown to happen when one party controls all three branches of the federal government.
The 2 Party system is breaking down. The two parties arn't two parties any more. Republicans have split into Populist and Neocon wings like the Democrats are splitting into Progressive and Neoliberal wings.
Trump is fighting the Republican establishment as much as Democrats right now.
Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: ↑Mon Jan 07, 2019 1:45 am
So, let's review.
The government shutdown is still going on.
This is the first government shutdown to happen when one party controls all three branches of the federal government.
The 2 Party system is breaking down. The two parties arn't two parties any more. Republicans have split into Populist and Neocon wings like the Democrats are splitting into Progressive and Neoliberal wings.
Trump is fighting the Republican establishment as much as Democrats right now.
The establishment republicans aren't fighting Trump at all. If they were McConnell wouldn't be blocking the bill that passed the senate unanimously less than three weeks ago from seeing a vote. This entirely the result of the Republican's need to be a unified front. It's that lockstep loyalty that's allowed them to remain viable as a national party even as their policies become less and less popular, but now they are forced between either breaking that lockstep right after a humiliating defeat in November or keep the government shutdown over a racist monument that 2/3 of Americans don't want.
Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: ↑Mon Jan 07, 2019 1:45 am
So, let's review.
The government shutdown is still going on.
This is the first government shutdown to happen when one party controls all three branches of the federal government.
The 2 Party system is breaking down. The two parties arn't two parties any more. Republicans have split into Populist and Neocon wings like the Democrats are splitting into Progressive and Neoliberal wings.
Trump is fighting the Republican establishment as much as Democrats right now.
The establishment republicans aren't fighting Trump at all. If they were McConnell wouldn't be blocking the bill that passed the senate unanimously less than three weeks ago from seeing a vote. This entirely the result of the Republican's need to be a unified front. It's that lockstep loyalty that's allowed them to remain viable as a national party even as their policies become less and less popular, but now they are forced between either breaking that lockstep right after a humiliating defeat in November or keep the government shutdown over a racist monument that 2/3 of Americans don't want.
Republicans not the Big Tent Democrats are the party that presents a united front to hide internal divisions? OK sure.
As for blame, every Democrat is about to become a massive hypocrite. Obama was famous for not negotiating and not yielding to the Republican House. If the President proposes a budget and the House rejects it that means the Controlling parting in the House shut down the Government. That's how that works remember?
Pointing out hypocrisy has never swayed anyone but:
Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: ↑Mon Jan 07, 2019 1:45 am
So, let's review.
The government shutdown is still going on.
This is the first government shutdown to happen when one party controls all three branches of the federal government.
The 2 Party system is breaking down. The two parties arn't two parties any more. Republicans have split into Populist and Neocon wings like the Democrats are splitting into Progressive and Neoliberal wings.
Trump is fighting the Republican establishment as much as Democrats right now.
The establishment republicans aren't fighting Trump at all. If they were McConnell wouldn't be blocking the bill that passed the senate unanimously less than three weeks ago from seeing a vote. This entirely the result of the Republican's need to be a unified front. It's that lockstep loyalty that's allowed them to remain viable as a national party even as their policies become less and less popular, but now they are forced between either breaking that lockstep right after a humiliating defeat in November or keep the government shutdown over a racist monument that 2/3 of Americans don't want.
Republicans not the Big Tent Democrats are the party that presents a united front to hide internal divisions? OK sure.
As for blame, every Democrat is about to become a massive hypocrite. Obama was famous for not negotiating and not yielding to the Republican House. If the President proposes a budget and the House rejects it that means the Controlling parting in the House shut down the Government. That's how that works remember?
Pointing out hypocrisy has never swayed anyone but:
Yes, because a big tent makes the divisions blatantly obvious in the first place and for my entire lifetime it takes huge amounts of compromise to get the democrats to move forward on anything as any kind of united front, where as the TEA party was able to grab the Republican party by the balls because republican strength is based on being a united front, thus causing bills that only suffered minority opposition in the republican party not come to a vote because of fear of showing that division.
Also the House Democrats did not create the shutdown, the shutdown started while the Republicans controlled both houses of congress and they failed to to create a funding bill that would even appeal to all 51 republican senators. Meaning if the house takes the blame, the Republicans are to blame.
Draco Dracul wrote: ↑Thu Jan 10, 2019 3:04 am
Yes, because a big tent makes the divisions blatantly obvious in the first place and for my entire lifetime it takes huge amounts of compromise to get the democrats to move forward on anything as any kind of united front, where as the TEA party was able to grab the Republican party by the balls because republican strength is based on being a united front, thus causing bills that only suffered minority opposition in the republican party not come to a vote because of fear of showing that division.
Also the House Democrats did not create the shutdown, the shutdown started while the Republicans controlled both houses of congress and they failed to to create a funding bill that would even appeal to all 51 republican senators. Meaning if the house takes the blame, the Republicans are to blame.
Democrat strategy is to run a candidate on charisma never giving any firm position on policy. When they get in power, party heads make policy in the background. Compromise doesn't happen. (this is how you lost the union vote by the way. they were sold out to mexicans and greens. no compromise there) When policy is actually discussed in the open, the factions fight and the Dems don't get into power anyway so compromise still doesn't happen.
Schumer really needs to stop shoving his face in front of this if that's the case. Hell, drag a never-trump in front of the camera at least.
Antiboyscout wrote: ↑Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:06 amDemocrat strategy is to run a candidate on charisma never giving any firm position on policy. When they get in power, party heads make policy in the background. Compromise doesn't happen. (this is how you lost the union vote by the way. they were sold out to mexicans and greens. no compromise there) When policy is actually discussed in the open, the factions fight and the Dems don't get into power anyway so compromise still doesn't happen.
Any fruitful examples of this you might consider most notable?
I mean if you go by the person, I thought Obama did really well discourse. His work on the economy was pretty bold as far as crafted legislation goes.
