G-Man wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 10:21 pm
GreyICE wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 6:50 pm
"Uh oh, someone is once again pointing out the actions of police departments are indefensible. What can we do to distract, since we have a strict policy of never defending?
No one disagrees with your statement that this action is indefensible. No one is trying to distract from how bad that particular occurrence was.
Of course Darth is. What else do you think he's doing? There's a principle Stormfront developed in the very early days of the web. Never defend - instead equate. Use any attack on their principles by tying it to some other subject, and then using it to say "well that subject is bad. But this [completely different thing] is like that subject, so if you condemn that you have to condemn this."
You can see Darth's post, you can read it, you can tell that's exactly what he was doing. So don't say "no one is doing it" when we can literally read someone doing it a few posts up.
G-Man wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 10:21 pm(1) The idea that you can just replace a police department wholesale strikes me as unrealistic, and somewhat based on the idea that the level of social disruption during the transition is no big deal.
(2) You specifically suggested that police officers are more unaccountable than people in other occupations. If we can find other occupations with a similar level of unaccountability, it suggests that conclusions based on the assumption of uniqueness may need to be reconsidered.
1) Of course it's a big deal. The fact that the police departments are so far gone that they are planting evidence, that racism is openly accepted, that heads of the police union are white supremacists, that violence is openly encourage, that they have training sessions called "killology", that they are actively working with organizations like the Proud Boys is a very, very big deal. I think it's an enormous deal. Police departments have been abolished before, for various reasons. Camden did it because they couldn't afford their department. Just completely abolished it, and reformed it. Crime actually dropped.
Do I see another way to solve this? No. Hiring practices are entrenched. Senior cops are the problem, senior cops are the ones making the hiring decisions. They're the ones doing the training. Derek Chauvin was a
Police Trainer. He was literally training two cops literally during the George Floyd murder. George Floyd's murder was his idea of a training exercise. How many cops do you think Chauvin trained? Do you think he was a good trainer? And why was a constantly issue-prone violent cop like Chauvin used as a trainer anyway? Well, his bosses liked how Chauvin did things. They wanted other cops to be like Derek Chauvin.
2) Don't tell me "no one is doing X" and then do X. That's the laziest shit tactic in the entire world. We're discussing police accountability and police defunding. Are teachers planting evidence? Are teachers shooting people? Are teachers being trained by murderers? No? Good. Lets discuss which police departments are doing that, and which police departments need to be dissolved and reformed wholesale.
