Fox News-Style UK News Outlets Flop With UK Viewers

[BBally81]

Looks like attempts at creating a Fox News-style UK news outlet to "combat leftist wokeism" has been a massive failure in attracting UK viewership.

https://variety.com/2022/tv/global/pier ... 235266461/

[Frustration]

Much like attempts to establish leftist talk radio in the US, actually.

[BBally81]

Much like attempts to establish leftist talk radio in the US, actually.

Unless you're Thom Hartmann or Stephanie Miller, though from what I heard these type of talk radio are far more successful through online podcast channels. Like the NPR tends to be accused of being biased to the left but it has been massively successful on the podcast side of things even some of their shows outdoing people like Ben Shapiro in the podcast rankings.

[Frustration]

'Accused of being biased to the left'? That's... rather an understatement.

I suspect there are age demographic effects behind the relative popularity of podcasts vs. traditional radio programs.

[McAvoy]

Looks like attempts at creating a Fox News-style UK news outlet to "combat leftist wokeism" has been a massive failure in attracting UK viewership.

https://variety.com/2022/tv/global/pier ... 235266461/

Doesn't surprise me. Considering for the most part American liberalism would be considered moderate in other countries.

[Thebestoftherest]

I do wonder without the over competitive nature of America, the whole get back at the other side type of argument doesn't have any appeal, and the right would have to actually show proper benefit of their stance as oppose to just offending the other side.

[clearspira]

I think your article is highly questionable tbh. Variety's argument seems to be that because an old man on Tik Tok is beating GBNews in ratings then it is somehow a failed channel. But that is a false equivalence as Youtube and Tik Tok regularly beats EVERYTHING ON TV. It speaks more to the death of old school media than it does to GBNews somehow not reaching an audience.

As for TalkTV the problem imo is that they are not actually a TV channel. All they did was put a camera in the studio of the already established TalkRadio and are just filming the broadcasts. Personally, when I checked this channel out, I found it boring (and bear in mind I am very much its target audience). There are no reporters on the ground, no live pieces from Kiev for example or documentaries on various subjects. Its just a guy talking.

TL;DR, the only ratings that matter are how GBNews and TalkTV stack up against Sky and the BBC and here is what Google tells me:

BBC News: 15.9 million per month
SkyNews: 10.9 million per month
GBNews: 2 million per month
TalkTV: Too early to tell but less

There are two clear winners here but I also think that its a bit like bringing a new soft drink against Coca-Cola or Pepsi. You are never going to beat the big boys even if your drink is better as ultimately people tend to stick with what they know. All you can do is carve a wedge for yourself in third place.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

I think your article is highly questionable tbh. Variety's argument seems to be that because an old man on Tik Tok is beating GBNews in ratings then it is somehow a failed channel. But that is a false equivalence as Youtube and Tik Tok regularly beats EVERYTHING ON TV. It speaks more to the death of old school media than it does to GBNews somehow not reaching an audience.

As for TalkTV the problem imo is that they are not actually a TV channel. All they did was put a camera in the studio of the already established TalkRadio and are just filming the broadcasts. Personally, when I checked this channel out, I found it boring (and bear in mind I am very much its target audience). There are no reporters on the ground, no live pieces from Kiev for example or documentaries on various subjects. Its just a guy talking.

TL;DR, the only ratings that matter are how GBNews and TalkTV stack up against Sky and the BBC and here is what Google tells me:

BBC News: 15.9 million per month
SkyNews: 10.9 million per month
GBNews: 2 million per month
TalkTV: Too early to tell but less

There are two clear winners here but I also think that its a bit like bringing a new soft drink against Coca-Cola or Pepsi. You are never going to beat the big boys even if your drink is better as ultimately people tend to stick with what they know. All you can do is carve a wedge for yourself in third place.

Okay but you sure have enjoyed speculating left and right about MCU etc’s preemptive failure.

[clearspira]

I think your article is highly questionable tbh. Variety's argument seems to be that because an old man on Tik Tok is beating GBNews in ratings then it is somehow a failed channel. But that is a false equivalence as Youtube and Tik Tok regularly beats EVERYTHING ON TV. It speaks more to the death of old school media than it does to GBNews somehow not reaching an audience.

As for TalkTV the problem imo is that they are not actually a TV channel. All they did was put a camera in the studio of the already established TalkRadio and are just filming the broadcasts. Personally, when I checked this channel out, I found it boring (and bear in mind I am very much its target audience). There are no reporters on the ground, no live pieces from Kiev for example or documentaries on various subjects. Its just a guy talking.

TL;DR, the only ratings that matter are how GBNews and TalkTV stack up against Sky and the BBC and here is what Google tells me:

BBC News: 15.9 million per month
SkyNews: 10.9 million per month
GBNews: 2 million per month
TalkTV: Too early to tell but less

There are two clear winners here but I also think that its a bit like bringing a new soft drink against Coca-Cola or Pepsi. You are never going to beat the big boys even if your drink is better as ultimately people tend to stick with what they know. All you can do is carve a wedge for yourself in third place.

Okay but you sure have enjoyed speculating left and right about MCU etc’s preemptive failure.

Disney is the top dog. When the top dog fails that is truly something.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

I think your article is highly questionable tbh. Variety's argument seems to be that because an old man on Tik Tok is beating GBNews in ratings then it is somehow a failed channel. But that is a false equivalence as Youtube and Tik Tok regularly beats EVERYTHING ON TV. It speaks more to the death of old school media than it does to GBNews somehow not reaching an audience.

As for TalkTV the problem imo is that they are not actually a TV channel. All they did was put a camera in the studio of the already established TalkRadio and are just filming the broadcasts. Personally, when I checked this channel out, I found it boring (and bear in mind I am very much its target audience). There are no reporters on the ground, no live pieces from Kiev for example or documentaries on various subjects. Its just a guy talking.

TL;DR, the only ratings that matter are how GBNews and TalkTV stack up against Sky and the BBC and here is what Google tells me:

BBC News: 15.9 million per month
SkyNews: 10.9 million per month
GBNews: 2 million per month
TalkTV: Too early to tell but less

There are two clear winners here but I also think that its a bit like bringing a new soft drink against Coca-Cola or Pepsi. You are never going to beat the big boys even if your drink is better as ultimately people tend to stick with what they know. All you can do is carve a wedge for yourself in third place.

Okay but you sure have enjoyed speculating left and right about MCU etc’s preemptive failure.

Disney is the top dog. When the top dog fails that is truly something.

But that is a bit consistent when you're adamantly critical of progressive developments. I mean I can appreciate conservationism, but you have to let some air unto the traditionalism.