Fuzzy Necromancer wrote:LittleRaven wrote:Madner Kami wrote:You do realize, that an abortion is, generally, about avoiding having a child to begin with?
That may be how some people treat it, but that not what the
ethics of abortion are about.
Virtually nobody thinks parents should be able to kill their children whenever they get tired of them.
These Ethics of Abortion are, largely, a smokescreen.
It's about power. It's about control. It's about making sure women are punished for having the sex that they are also pressured by society into having.
I don't agree. Even most unprotected sexual encounters don't end in pregnancy. A day before ovulation, the time when women are most fertile, the risk of pregnancy is about 30%. Three days before ovulation, it is just 15%. On Ovulation day itself, it's about 12%. Rest of the time research, clinical trials and real world experience have shown that the risk is about 5-6%. Heck, sometimes it feels even lower, for the second one we had to try really, really often ^_^.
Getting pregnant is not that easy, even if you are young and healthy. Therefore I think it is a bit of a stretch to state that abortion is about regulating sex - from my own experience I would even argue the opposite: There are hardly any constraints at all anymore, in today's society, for better or worse, who knows
. Also, there we have so many forms of contraceptives at our disposal (feel really sorry for you blokes, since you really only have 3 ones that work), that no women should become pregnant if she doesn't want to. Even if you don't count the hormonal ones, which I strongly advice against, they are causing so many problems. And there is always the morning after pill if you "forgot" it in the heat of the moment.
As for the Abortion-Debate itself... It is a really heated debate, and emotions are clashing with ideologies and principles from all sides, women and men alike. I have a rather liberal stance myself: If another woman thinks she must let that procedure be done to her, I think she has every right to get it done so. But she should be informed about what's going on, and how many women do have problems with the abortion, even years later. But I never would have been able to do it myself. Children change you, and I think they do so for the better. I can't imagine a life without mine. But that's a personal choice every women should be free to make on her own.
LittleRaven wrote:Antiboyscout wrote:Not according to the Journal of Medical "Ethics"
That's an article arguing for a certain position...not the official position of the Journal.
We should not be surprised or appalled by articles in ethics journals making the case for extreme views. That's literally what ethical journals are for. But it remains an extreme position. It is not embraced by any state in the modern world, nor are there any substantial political movements pushing for it. (unlike, say, euthanasia)
Abortion is embraced because many people believe that the state should not control what a woman does with her own internal organs, not because many people believe it's cool to kill babies.
I also think that the statement "A woman should be free to do what she wants with her own body." to be a bit misleading. Without a trained physician, a staff and a clinic, there is not really much the woman can do on her own accords. But it is always better than the ghastly methods that have been used for unwanted pregnancies in the past. Oh god, it is so much better, just thinking about makes gives me shivers
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